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Is there a danger that games are becoming too one-sided, predictable and even boring due to set restarts?  

Particularly in the NRL, the six again rule seems to accentuate the difference between good and bad sides. The better ones are scoring more points and the less good ones conceding more.

I’m not keen on going back to penalties for ruck infringements, but what else could be done to get the balance right?

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Yes, this is happening, and is always going to be the result of introducing dumb and untrialled rule changes. Go back to penalties for ruck infringements, far better for the game and also actually spe

As much as I hate the rule changes, let's get a grip. 35-6 in a match between one of the form sides (playing at home) and one of the bottom sides is a perfectly normal scoreline. It is NOT a blowout.

Absolutely.  I have to say I have started to enjoy the NRL more than Super League (for reasons that I won't bore you with) but I really enjoy Super League as well... and Challenge Cup and Championship

22 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

Is there a danger that games are becoming too one-sided, predictable and even boring due to set restarts?  

Particularly in the NRL, the six again rule seems to extenuate the difference between good and bad sides. The better ones are scoring more points and the less good ones conceding more.

I’m not keen on going back to penalties for ruck infringements, but what else could be done to get the balance right?

Cut down the 10m line and stop obsessing about the speed of the "ruck"/PTB.  If it's harder to defend that will encourage good kicking of various sorts because the team who give/kick the ball back will also know that it can defend in its turn.

Today the game is played more and more within 15m of the try line.

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1 hour ago, Man of Kent said:

Is there a danger that games are becoming too one-sided, predictable and even boring due to set restarts?  

Particularly in the NRL, the six again rule seems to extenuate the difference between good and bad sides. The better ones are scoring more points and the less good ones conceding more.

I’m not keen on going back to penalties for ruck infringements, but what else could be done to get the balance right?

Yes, this is happening, and is always going to be the result of introducing dumb and untrialled rule changes. Go back to penalties for ruck infringements, far better for the game and also actually speed the ruck up and incentivise more positive play.

The effective impact of the set restart is actually they've reduced the punishment for a ruck infringement - this is why the most successful teams in the NRL last year were also the teams who gave away the most ruck infringements. This was despite them 1) making less tackles as stronger teams have more of the ball 2) typically losing less rucks as stronger teams are better defensively. 

If you look at the data too, there's also been an increase in one-out carries since the rule changes.

The game needs to stop this fantasy that you can just have more and more rugby being played in the same time period without there being costs associated with this. Scores are blowing out (compared with previous years) in the last 5 minutes of the first half and the last 15 minutes of the second, momentum has a far bigger impact than previous years (and it was a large impact anyway), and this is quite simply because there is just more rugby condensed into the same time period. Introducing the new rules all the way down to community RL level is also stupid. 

 

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As much as I hate the rule changes, let's get a grip. 35-6 in a match between one of the form sides (playing at home) and one of the bottom sides is a perfectly normal scoreline. It is NOT a blowout.

NRL needs to accept that this is a reality of sport. You cannot play God and control every outcome. Although they have quite successfully done it to an extent with the introduction of the salary cap.

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I also think we have to be careful what we wish for.

It may well be nice to see a tight game but if that comes at the cost of ref's blowing 25 or 30 penalties a game as they were doing in some games in 2018/19 then I am not sure that produces a great spectacle either.

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2 hours ago, langpark said:

As much as I hate the rule changes, let's get a grip. 35-6 in a match between one of the form sides (playing at home) and one of the bottom sides is a perfectly normal scoreline. It is NOT a blowout.

NRL needs to accept that this is a reality of sport. You cannot play God and control every outcome. Although they have quite successfully done it to an extent with the introduction of the salary cap.

Do you think this is a response solely to the Rabbitohs Broncos game? Did you miss last weekend? 

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I think the spectacle is better than previous years with some needless stoppages , lots of penalties , and even more video ref . I was getting a bit fed up with some of it . I quite like the way it looks now . I think ultimately the best teams are the best teams who will come out on top whatever , and if lesser sides  can’t keep up  it’s up to them to adapt and improve to suit the rules 

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28 minutes ago, Saint 1 said:

Do you think this is a response solely to the Rabbitohs Broncos game? Did you miss last weekend? 

No I didn't. But I am still looking for the "blowout" scoreline. 40 points was the highest winning margin. These scores are nothing new.

Statisticians and historians are constantly finding new "first time since..." stats to tell us. This week just happen to be about about scorelines. And I think the stat was something to the effect of "most uneven matches since 2005" or something? 

It's all part of the cycle. NRL fans have been spoilt in recent seasons with some absolute golden-point thrillers, it was never gonna last forever.

And sadly, when we do get those cracking matches that go down to the wire, instead of marvelling in what a spectacle we just witnessed, all the talk afterwards is often dominated by those that want to moan about a referee decision that "cost them the game".

 

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I don’t watch the NRL or really keep an eye on what’s going on in Oz, but my mates keep telling me the game in Australia is far more exciting with matches going either way right up to the end. I will have to ask them about all these close games, and see were i can watch the highlights for free. 

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23 minutes ago, Josef K said:

I don’t watch the NRL or really keep an eye on what’s going on in Oz, but my mates keep telling me the game in Australia is far more exciting with matches going either way right up to the end. I will have to ask them about all these close games, and see were i can watch the highlights for free. 

I think it is very fair to say that the NRL this year has 3 or 4 poor teams and they will struggle week after week against the best teams so it may not be as close from 1 to 16 than it has been in recent times. 

Having said...

Listen to your mates and watch the NRL, it's bloody great.

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53 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I think it is very fair to say that the NRL this year has 3 or 4 poor teams and they will struggle week after week against the best teams so it may not be as close from 1 to 16 than it has been in recent times. 

Having said...

Listen to your mates and watch the NRL, it's bloody great.

I’ll give it a go Dunbar if i can watch the highlights for FREE. The only clip ive seen of the NRL was two fan’s fighting at a game last week (i think). That was embarrassing and id imagine drink was the cause of it. There are too many lightweight’s who go to sporting events who spend most of their time going to the bar getting plastered. 

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2 minutes ago, Josef K said:

I’ll give it a go Dunbar if i can watch the highlights for FREE. The only clip ive seen of the NRL was two fan’s fighting at a game last week (i think). That was embarrassing and id imagine drink was the cause of it. There are too many lightweight’s who go to sporting events who spend most of their time going to the bar getting plastered. 

There you go. Plenty more on that YT channel.

 

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1 hour ago, Dunbar said:

I think it is very fair to say that the NRL this year has 3 or 4 poor teams and they will struggle week after week against the best teams so it may not be as close from 1 to 16 than it has been in recent times. 

Having said...

Listen to your mates and watch the NRL, it's bloody great.

Each to their own- SL still better to watch in my opinion but any RL on TV is great.

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1 minute ago, Mr Frisky said:

Each to their own- SL still better to watch in my opinion but any RL on TV is great.

Absolutely.  I have to say I have started to enjoy the NRL more than Super League (for reasons that I won't bore you with) but I really enjoy Super League as well... and Challenge Cup and Championship and everything else.

It is Rugby League fans refusing to watch a Rugby League comp that I can't wrap my head around.

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