The Art of Hand and Foot Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Can someone please clarify something. Sorry if it it's been mentioned before. But, why are The BBC and OuRLeague showing different league positions for Oldham? It seems points, won or drawn, are not the main criteria for league position, but percentages. I know we're not playing everyone home and away, but surely league position should be points for a win, draw followed by points scored, then percentages!!? Or am I wrong? Tge bbc have us behind widnes and Newcastle who are on 1point, OuRLeague have us between Widnes and Newcastle. Yet we have 2 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 You’re wrong. It’s percentages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Hand and Foot Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said: You’re wrong. It’s percentages. So the fact we're on 2points and Widnes and Newcastle are on 1 point is irelevent? So who's right BBC or OuRLeague? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 What is it percentages of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blues Ox Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, JM2010 said: What is it percentages of? The RFL have based this years league positions on percentage of TV money you are willing to give up if you gain promotion to SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 1 minute ago, The Blues Ox said: The RFL have based this years league positions on percentage of TV money you are willing to give up if you gain promotion to SL. Halifax should be at the bottom then. They wouldn't give a penny up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Hand and Foot Posted April 18, 2021 Author Share Posted April 18, 2021 45 minutes ago, JM2010 said: What is it percentages of? I'm not totally sure. We, oldham, are on 50%, I'm assuming because we've won one and lost one. With 2 points.Newcastle are on 50% they've drawn one and have 1 point, but are above us? Maybe because they're goal difference is is 0 and ours is -30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 1 minute ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said: I'm not totally sure. We, oldham, are on 50%, I'm assuming because we've won one and lost one. With 2 points.Newcastle are on 50% they've drawn one and have 1 point, but are above us? Maybe because they're goal difference is is 0 and ours is -30. Yes that’s correct. It’s Win% then PointsDiff% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said: I'm not totally sure. We, oldham, are on 50%, I'm assuming because we've won one and lost one. With 2 points.Newcastle are on 50% they've drawn one and have 1 point, but are above us? Maybe because they're goal difference is is 0 and ours is -30. Sounds complicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Hand and Foot Posted April 18, 2021 Author Share Posted April 18, 2021 36 minutes ago, JM2010 said: Sounds complicated More so when the BBC app doesn't show the percentage or goal difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, Spidey said: Yes that’s correct. It’s Win% then PointsDiff% First league positions are decided on points percentage The Points Percentage will be calculated by the number of matches won by a club, divided by the number of matches played, multiplied by 100. so newcastle widnes and oldham are all on 50 Then they use points differential percentage which is points for divided by points against multiplied by hundred so newcastle 30/30 100 widnes 44/52 84 and oldaham 38/68 55 So this means the actual points you've scored is not taken into account and in reality isn't worth the paper it's written on This has been done to make it fairer on teams who may not play the same number of games as others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooleboy Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 1 hour ago, JM2010 said: Sounds complicated The Jack Duckworth Lewis method! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stotty Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Why are they using percentages and not averages? Surely it should be average competition points first and then average points difference. If the current league tables are anything to go by, there's not much logic to percentages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 WHAT IS IT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 I started an extremely similar thread yesterday..... https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Hand and Foot Posted April 18, 2021 Author Share Posted April 18, 2021 55 minutes ago, POR said: First league positions are decided on points percentage The Points Percentage will be calculated by the number of matches won by a club, divided by the number of matches played, multiplied by 100. so newcastle widnes and oldham are all on 50 Then they use points differential percentage which is points for divided by points against multiplied by hundred so newcastle 30/30 100 widnes 44/52 84 and oldaham 38/68 55 So this means the actual points you've scored is not taken into account and in reality isn't worth the paper it's written on This has been done to make it fairer on teams who may not play the same number of games as others I'm sorry, all I could hear was the countdown clock while trying to work that out!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 looks like some body today at the beeb hasn't read the email league table now showing positions based on old fashioned points difference showing FEV on top when we are actually 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 16 hours ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said: So the fact we're on 2points and Widnes and Newcastle are on 1 point is irelevent? So who's right BBC or OuRLeague? BBC definitely had it wrong last night. Whether points or percentages Widnes (1 point, 25%) were below Oldham (2 pts, 50%). Let's face it, the tables are going to be a shambles in the middle of the weekend. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Stotty said: Why are they using percentages and not averages? Surely it should be average competition points first and then average points difference. If the current league tables are anything to go by, there's not much logic to percentages. How would these differ, exactly? Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Stotty said: Why are they using percentages and not averages? Surely it should be average competition points first and then average points difference. If the current league tables are anything to go by, there's not much logic to percentages. What's average points difference ? Points difference divided by games played ? I'd go with that, to be fair. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stotty Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 34 minutes ago, Griff said: Points difference divided by games played ? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stotty Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Blind side johnny said: How would these differ, exactly? It'd get rid of all the weird anomalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 8 hours ago, The Blues Ox said: The RFL have based this years league positions on percentage of TV money you are willing to give up if you gain promotion to SL. Post of the week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Stotty said: It'd get rid of all the weird anomalies. What anomalies are created by a percentage system as compared with averages as described? Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: What anomalies are created by a percentage system as compared with averages as described? You are taking things out of proportion now Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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