JohnM Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I'm not for or against the proposed ESL (yet), though I fully understand, I think, the issue of the founders not having to qualify nor get relegated and the concerns some may have that this might affect the Premier League as a competition. I think, too, I understand the current silence of the ESL orgsnisers: they would not have been heard over the cacophony of objections (some rational, many irrational) from the shouters. Shortly, EUFA, FIFA, etc will spend on legal fees more than the value of our entire code, defending their expulsion threats. If EUFA ban teams from the current Champions League competition, J. P Morgan will sink them without trace by sting them with £ billions damages. One hears from time to time that, using Arsenal as an example, fans demand that the owners open their wallets and buy Messi or some such big ticket name, then criticise attempts to generate the money to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun mc Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just heard the Chairman of the Euro Super League talking about football clubs being profitable, and they can't be profitable without doing this. Here's a random thought - why don't they make their outgoings less than their revenue in order to make a profit and then they don't have to split football in the process? This has been coming for a while. The lawyers will be the big winners and the fans the losers, as the scraps at the bottom of the pyramid, whatever the outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindle xiii Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 In regional news, Keighley are fuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, shaun mc said: Just heard the Chairman of the Euro Super League talking about football clubs being profitable, and they can't be profitable without doing this. Here's a random thought - why don't they make their outgoings less than their revenue in order to make a profit and then they don't have to split football in the process? This has been coming for a while. The lawyers will be the big winners and the fans the losers, as the scraps at the bottom of the pyramid, whatever the outcome why don't they make their outgoings less than their revenue in order to make a profit ....? The fans won't accept that. Like in our sport, they are always on about owners putting their hands in their pockets to buy this superstar or that superstar. Currently, the lawyers are sure to win, I agree. The fans need not be the losers, though. I wonder what Lineker, (£1.75 million a year from the BBC) has to say about the greed of the ESL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, shaun mc said: Just heard the Chairman of the Euro Super League talking about football clubs being profitable, and they can't be profitable without doing this. Here's a random thought - why don't they make their outgoings less than their revenue in order to make a profit and then they don't have to split football in the process? This has been coming for a while. The lawyers will be the big winners and the fans the losers, as the scraps at the bottom of the pyramid, whatever the outcome It's quite easy for them all to be profitable. There is huge money in Football. What they don't need to do is spend hundreds of thousands every week on individual players. The wage bill at the top clubs would be tens of millions a month and the poor fan is expected to fund all of this. Its greed, pure and simple, that has led to football now being in the place it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Such an important issue this so I rushed to make the comment ..................................................................................................................................................................................! 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, JohnM said: I wonder what Lineker, (£1.75 million a year from the BBC) has to say about the greed of the ESL? Very relevant, that. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 42 minutes ago, Damien said: There is huge money in Football. What they don't need to do is spend hundreds of thousands every week on individual players. Go a few years without winning anything and see how that goes. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Bedford Roughyed said: Go a few years without winning anything and see how that goes. Sorry that doesn't make sense. I'm talking about collectively. If clubs are saying they have no money and cant afford to continue as things are then they can stop paying ridiculous wages and cut outgoings. The very same clubs are trying to break away, it shouldn't be beyond the wit of the very same clubs to do something about the ridiculous amount of money they spend on wages and lining player and agent pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Damien said: Sorry that doesn't make sense. I'm talking about collectively. If clubs are saying they have no money and cant afford to continue as things are then they can stop paying ridiculous wages and cut outgoings. The very same clubs are trying to break away, it shouldn't be beyond the wit of the very same clubs to do something about the ridiculous amount of money they spend on wages and lining player and agent pockets. You're assuming that they are being even remotely honest about the reasons for the league. They are not being. They already get lots of personal wealth via these clubs and they would like more and they would like that to be risk free. Do not try and understand it any other way. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Indeed. Why else would they inject millions/billions into their clubs when they could realistically have invested in Tesla, bitcoin, Alphabet and others? However, anyone with any power threatening the ESL (e.g. EUFA, FIFA, Premier League, etc) with various sanctions can only threaten once. After that, they have to act. However, that way lies legal action from people with more power, more money and more experience at winning legal battles than EUFA etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 It’s a variation of the US sports league culture in a European environment. Quite the culture clash. If the English clubs are banned from the EPL, I can see the TV rights value plummeting and the remaining clubs making less money. TV companies may also sue if the most watched teams are banned from playing in their current competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Email from our CEO this morning Dear David, I feel it is only right that, as CEO of your football club, I write to you directly following the plans made public over the weekend for a European Super League. As a proud custodian of Everton, I, along with my fellow board members, understand the responsibility that has been entrusted upon us to maintain the traditions of your Club and of the wider game. Everton Football Club was a founder member of the Football League and a founder member of the Premier League. Throughout our history the Club has always strived to move both Everton and the game forward. But we have always done so within the parameters of the pyramid structure which maintains the principles of open competition and sporting merit. Sadly, the plans that have been made public by 12 clubs from across Europe - and six in our own Premier League - do not maintain those principles. At this time of national crisis - in the face of a global pandemic and in a defining period for football - clubs should be working together collaboratively with the thoughts of our game and its supporters uppermost in our minds. Disenfranchising supporters across the game and undermining the very structure of the pyramid that underpins the game we love is, quite simply, wrong. The response from voices across the game and beyond over the last 48 hours is understandable – and those voices should be listened to. Rest assured, I, along with my fellow board members, will do everything possible to ensure our position on these proposals is made in the strongest possible terms - and the voice of Evertonians is heard, loud and clear. It remains our hope that by working collaboratively, football will find the right answer for its future. NSNO. Denise http://image.emails.evertonfc.com/lib/fe40157075640579731572/m/3/1d961928-d250-4e30-b019-9f53d7816098.png Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale MBE, DL, EdD, MBA, BA (Hons), FRSA. Chief Executive Officer Director Everton Football Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Wheels are apparently coming off already. One English club said to be considering pulling out. Going on what has been said by 'pundits' that club is most like to be either Man City or Chelsea. Neither of whom have owners who really need the grief this is causing. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Copa said: It’s a variation of the US sports league culture in a European environment. Quite the culture clash. If the English clubs are banned from the EPL, I can see the TV rights value plummeting and the remaining clubs making less money. TV companies may also sue if the most watched teams are banned from playing in their current competitions. The TV rights for the Premier League would be worth a fraction of what they are now without Man Utd, Liverpool etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 6 hours ago, JohnM said: I wonder what Lineker, (£1.75 million a year from the BBC) has to say about the greed of the ESL? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerrumonside ref Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I have to say that in the annals of breakaway/rebel leagues this is looking like one of the most poorly executed. Correct me later, but it seems they haven’t even got the players onside, let alone the fans, before embarking on this. Like watching a Blackadder/Baldrick style cunning plan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I thought rugby league fans would be in a unique place to be able to avoid the sanctimonious twaddle, woe is us melodrama and downright hypocrisy which has choked all forms of media since the announcement. Perhaps not. Grassroots paupers like Leeds and Everton outraged??? A prime minister who reacts 100 quicker than he ever did to Covid??? Mafias like the Premier League, UEFA and FIFA as the wounded victims??? Pathetic. All of it. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 56 minutes ago, gingerjon said: What a trooper .Not like him to virtue signal . How will he manage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said: I thought rugby league fans would be in a unique place to be able to avoid the sanctimonious twaddle, woe is us melodrama and downright hypocrisy which has choked all forms of media since the announcement. Perhaps not. Grassroots paupers like Leeds and Everton outraged??? A prime minister who reacts 100 quicker than he ever did to Covid??? Mafias like the Premier League, UEFA and FIFA as the rounded victims??? Pathetic. All of it. There is indeed bucket loads of irony involved here , that is fair . It’s all about greed ... what about the fans ... the community ... good old fashioned principles of football . Well , that ship sailed long ago , probably 1992 . And I’m sure uefa expanded the european cup to rake in the dosh . It is crappy but some taking the moral high ground in and around the game need to look in the mirror ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, DavidM said: There is indeed bucket loads of irony involved here , that is fair . It’s all about greed ... what about the fans ... the community ... good old fashioned principles of football . Well , that ship sailed long ago , probably 1992 . And I’m sure uefa expanded the european cup to rake in the dosh . It is crappy but some taking the moral high ground in and around the game need to look in the mirror ! Quite. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said: I thought rugby league fans would be in a unique place to be able to avoid the sanctimonious twaddle, woe is us melodrama and downright hypocrisy which has choked all forms of media since the announcement. Perhaps not. Grassroots paupers like Leeds and Everton outraged??? A prime minister who reacts 100 quicker than he ever did to Covid??? Mafias like the Premier League, UEFA and FIFA as the wounded victims??? Pathetic. All of it. All of that is quite true. Still doesn’t stop this breakaway league being a vile idea though that is *even worse* than the odious stuff we have now. Granted, I’d like to see even 1% of the *visible* outrage happen when England run out at a World Cup venue that has literally cost the lives of hundreds of slave workers. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Gerrumonside ref said: I have to say that in the annals of breakaway/rebel leagues this is looking like one of the most poorly executed. Correct me later, but it seems they haven’t even got the players onside, let alone the fans, before embarking on this. Like watching a Blackadder/Baldrick style cunning plan! They may feel they don’t need the players they have now just like they don’t need the fans they have now. No idea. It’s a dog’s dinner so far. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindle xiii Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, DavidM said: What a trooper .Not like him to virtue signal . How will he manage That's what it is. There was something I didn't like about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 As far as I can tell, Amazon, BT and Sky have all now said they won’t cover it. That leaves, basically, beIN (who are PSG so let’s assume only if it is massively beneficial to them), DAZN and Pornhub. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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