gingerjon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, nadera78 said: My view of this may be coloured by being a QPR fan and having a circle of friends who support teams outside the scab six, but every football fan I know - people who buy tickets and regularly go to watch their team - wants this league to start up and the 6 English clubs involved to f off and never come back. At some point it's going to happen, we would all be better off if they just did it now. The supporters of the six grubbiest clubs in the country are going to be *even more unbearable* now, as if that were possible. "We saved football for you." Yeah, thanks for that. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 8 hours ago, marklaspalmas said: The moral outrage is about 30 years too late, isn't it? Probably even longer than that TBH. People almost forget that the Premier League came immediately after an era in which the neglect and contempt of owners, with the collusion of government and police, actually wound up killing fans. (And multiple times, not just Hillsborough). I don't think it does to be too nostalgic about that. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerrumonside ref Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I suspect you will see a pretty toothless review now into the ownership structure of professional football with the rebellion quashed. I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if government attention moves on quickly after some spiel about “this must never happen again”, being no more than that. The uncomfortable truth is that stretched out across the football pyramid very few club owners are going to agree or lobby to permanently address the idea of a German style ownership model that involves the fans at board level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Probably even longer than that TBH. People almost forget that the Premier League came immediately after an era in which the neglect and contempt of owners, with the collusion of government and police, actually wound up killing fans. (And multiple times, not just Hillsborough). I don't think it does to be too nostalgic about that. No, not just Hillsborough. Heysel, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, JohnM said: No, not just Hillsborough. Heysel, too. Yes, that's exactly what I meant. FFS. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Not that it matters one jot in the scheme of things, but I'm not taking sides in this lamentable and wholly preventable celebration of surrealism, hypocrisy and hysteria on all sides. I will instead deploy the "if only" gambit. If only the Rugby Football Union, rugby teams and fans had demonstrated the same anger, ferocity and unity in 1895, we'd have been spared the last 125 years of hurt. As for the English club's prime mover resigning, well, I guess we all knew Wood-would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun mc Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1895 was already too late - football had already allowed professionalism, and had made great in-roads into reducing the number of 'rugby' clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, shaun mc said: 1895 was already too late - football had already allowed professionalism, and had made great in-roads into reducing the number of 'rugby' clubs. Football grudgingly allowed a professional schism and later allowed an amateur one. Reading over some of the newspaper reports at the time it seems reasonably clear that both the writers of the pieces and the clubs involved expected an eventual detente along the lines of Football League/Football Association and weren't really prepared for the ferocity of what followed. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostik Bailey Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 11 hours ago, hindle xiii said: Ed Woodward resigns from Manchester United. How much wood has he got in his head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 53 minutes ago, JohnM said: I will instead deploy the "if only" gambit. If only the Rugby Football Union, rugby teams and fans had demonstrated the same anger, ferocity and unity in 1895, we'd have been spared the last 125 years of hurt. The breakaway clubs in 1895 were the good guys and established a competition of and sport of which we are all proud. Apart from that, great analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 59 minutes ago, M j M said: The breakaway clubs in 1895 were the good guys and established a competition of and sport of which we are all proud. Apart from that, great analogy. The breakaway clubs in 1895 were the good guys Mandy Rice-Davies applies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 ‘ Football is for the fans ‘ ... well who knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 hours ago, gingerjon said: Probably even longer than that TBH. People almost forget that the Premier League came immediately after an era in which the neglect and contempt of owners, with the collusion of government and police, actually wound up killing fans. (And multiple times, not just Hillsborough). I don't think it does to be too nostalgic about that. Plus of course there was the Murdoch role in the Premiership. IIRC Alan Sugar was a director of Spurt, and as such sat on the committee which decided where the TV contract was going. Funnily enough the contact went to Sky, And who made the Sky dishes at the time? Amstrad of coure. “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 4 hours ago, JohnM said: No, not just Hillsborough. Heysel, too. The point being that its worth recalling that not all Liverpool fans are innocent victims. The tragedy resulted in all English football clubs being placed under an indefinite ban by Union of European Football Associations (UEFA) from all European competitions (lifted in 1990–91), with Liverpool being excluded for an additional three years, later reduced to one, and fourteen Liverpool fans found guilty of manslaughter and each sentenced to three years' imprisonment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleep1673 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 hours ago, M j M said: The breakaway clubs in 1895 were the good guys and established a competition of and sport of which we are all proud. Apart from that, great analogy. And what about 1995, and the original European Super League, and talk of mergers, PSG joining a British Rugby League, clubs becoming franchises, playing in "Summer", and games being exclusively available on BSKYB, as it was called. Very similar ideas to Footballs sell-out, but our Rugby League clubs bottled it, & took the News International cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleep1673 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Are the clubs involved going to be asked to merge, like our SL were asked to do? AC/Inter Milan, Barca/Espanol, Real/Athletic, Marseilles/Nice, Arsenal/Tottenham, Man Utd/City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said: And what about 1995, and the original European Super League, and talk of mergers, PSG joining a British Rugby League, clubs becoming franchises, playing in "Summer", and games being exclusively available on BSKYB, as it was called. Very similar ideas to Footballs sell-out, but our Rugby League clubs bottled it, & took the News International cash. RL would have been bug gered without that cash. Footy will still attract huge (obscene) sums regardless of ESL and footy won't have any direct competition like the newly formed fully professional Rugby union at that time. There's the fundamental differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Bleep1673 said: Are the clubs involved going to be asked to merge, like our SL were asked to do? AC/Inter Milan, Barca/Espanol, Real/Athletic, Marseilles/Nice, Arsenal/Tottenham, Man Utd/City Why would they??? Comparing fev/cas with utd/city is like comparing me wi johnny depp and concluding we're the image of each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleep1673 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Robin Evans said: Why would they??? Comparing fev/cas to utd/city is like comparing me wi johnny depp and concluding we're the image of each other Fev/Cas/Wakey, was never going to happen, Gateshead/Hull showed the why, plenty of others that have gone wrong. North Sydney & West's, St. George Illawarra, expulsions of the Bunnies, and back. Sheffield & Southend, Scarborough, Stevenage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, JohnM said: The point being that its worth recalling that not all Liverpool fans are innocent victims. Oddly, no one ever said they were. I went to plenty of games with low level hooliganism - and some with a bit more than that - it's one of the reasons I'm not too misty-eyed about what the past was really like. 56 people burnt to death because a club ignored the numerous warnings sent to it. But do please put up a post about how not all Bradford City and Lincoln City fans are innocent victims. It'll be really helpful. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said: & took the News International cash. The Premier League breakaway literally did the same. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Bleep1673 said: And what about 1995, and the original European Super League, and talk of mergers, PSG joining a British Rugby League, clubs becoming franchises, playing in "Summer", and games being exclusively available on BSKYB, as it was called. Very similar ideas to Footballs sell-out, but our Rugby League clubs bottled it, & took the News International cash. Im not sure the relevance of ideas that weren't implemented. The league games were already exclusively on Sky too and the switch to summer was talked about for as long as I can remember. For all the talk Super League was little more than another TV deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleep1673 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 39 minutes ago, Damien said: Im not sure the relevance of deas that weren't implemented. The league games were already exclusively on Sky too and the switch to summer was talked about for as long as I can remember. For all the talk Super League was little more than another TV deal. Summer Rugby League was talked about from when I followed the sport in the 1960's. It took someone with the balls & cash like Murdoch to strangle the game in Europe & Australia to make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Thread on a less reported breakaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Warrior Dragon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 19 hours ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said: I'm a great fan of Liverpool United and quite enjoy the attractive football played by Manchester Hotspur, so don't want to miss out on this exciting new venture. If that means a Pornhub subscription, oh well, so be it! Well, with the sudden demise of this new fangled Super League for the wimps' 11-a-side code of football, I obviously wanted to cancel my brand new Pornhub subscription, but, sadly, cannot work out how to do that. Oh well, a year of Pornhub it is then; life can be so cruel and demanding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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