Hastings hopes to play for England in the World Cup

[John C H]

15 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

No.  Ofc it's discrimatory as its a World cup played by nations.  He's australian, wants to go home and would switch to Aus if they came knocking. So no. Plus next year when he is bk in NRL he wont care about playing for Eng. It damages the game in sport if English players find themselves overlooked.  

Looking at the halves in NRL and where West’s are headed at the moment, the chances of him getting SOO or Kangaroos call up look minuscule.

 

15 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

I know. I meant if Aus asked now, he'd switch in a heartbeat. Lets find an English lad.  

The way England have got lads to switch from Scotland, Wales, Ireland etc. in the past, I don’t think we should be throwing stones in that particular glass house.

[Damien]

56 minutes ago, John C H said:

The way England have got lads to switch from Scotland, Wales, Ireland etc. in the past, I don’t think we should be throwing stones in that particular glass house.

Lads who are English and are only playing international rugby league for those countries because they can and are allowed to switch.

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

1 hour ago, John C H said:

Looking at the halves in NRL and where West’s are headed at the moment, the chances of him getting SOO or Kangaroos call up look minuscule.

 

The way England have got lads to switch from Scotland, Wales, Ireland etc. in the past, I don’t think we should be throwing stones in that particular glass house.

Again, you can’t switch between tier 1 Nations. Once you represent England, Australia or New Zealand you can no longer switch to another one of those Nations. Hastings has made exactly the commitment demanded from some fans, only to then be dismissed.

[Harry Stottle]

16 hours ago, Scubby said:

We are in deep #### as far as half back options are concerned. I don't know if Hastings is the answer but given the players we have played there in the last 4 years...

God give me strength

Hastings is the last one to represent GB in the No 7 shirt in 4 games, should he be keep being selected (albeit for the same team under a different name) till he eventually has a good game, even his mum and dad would have to admit he was complete sh-ite for GB, it could be he is not cut out for the International stage, on his past form he should be nowhere near selection, if selected though he wouldn't be the first to be kept giving another go internationally only to keep failing time and time again. 

We would not be having this discussion now if he had produced the kind of form on the GB tour that made him impossible to leave out, but he didn't, I agree with Mr Wane in leaving him at one side, plus I don't want any foreign national's in the England team, barring those who have lived most of their life here and come up through our system, like Ben Stokes has done in cricket, he is all but English except for his place of birth.

[Harry Stottle]

43 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Again, you can’t switch between tier 1 Nations. Once you represent England, Australia or New Zealand you can no longer switch to another one of those Nations. Hastings has made exactly the commitment demanded from some fans, only to then be dismissed.

Because he didn't prove himself internationally.

[Damien]

3 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Hastings is the last one to represent GB in the No 7 shirt in 4 games, should he be keep being selected (albeit for the same team under a different name) till he eventually has a good game, even his mum and dad would have to admit he was complete sh-ite for GB, it could be he is not cut out for the International stage, on his past form he should be nowhere near selection, if selected though he wouldn't be the first to be kept giving another go internationally only to keep failing time and time again. 

We would not be having this discussion now if he had produced the kind of form on the GB tour that made him impossible to leave out, but he didn't, I agree with Mr Wane in leaving him at one side, plus I don't want any foreign national's in the England team, barring those who have lived most of their life here and come up through our system, like Ben Stokes has done in cricket, he is all but English except for his place of birth.

Plenty of players never even got 4 chances at international level.

[Davo5]

54 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Hastings is the last one to represent GB in the No 7 shirt in 4 games, should he be keep being selected (albeit for the same team under a different name) till he eventually has a good game, even his mum and dad would have to admit he was complete sh-ite for GB, it could be he is not cut out for the International stage, on his past form he should be nowhere near selection, if selected though he wouldn't be the first to be kept giving another go internationally only to keep failing time and time again. 

We would not be having this discussion now if he had produced the kind of form on the GB tour that made him impossible to leave out, but he didn't, I agree with Mr Wane in leaving him at one side, plus I don't want any foreign national's in the England team, barring those who have lived most of their life here and come up through our system, like Ben Stokes has done in cricket, he is all but English except for his place of birth.

Which members of that GB squad proved their test credentials,do we discard them all ?

[Damien]

13 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Which members of that GB squad proved their test credentials,do we discard them all ?

Looking at the starting 13 of say the match v Tonga then yes I would discard the majority of them. Several were old and past it even then and shouldn't have been picked in the first place.

[Harry Stottle]

16 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Which members of that GB squad proved their test credentials,do we discard them all ?

Hastings remit in the position he was selected was to guide the team, his failure to that has a direct effect on the performance of others, but saying that yes some did not perform as expected.

[Alan Robertson]

23 hours ago, Spidey said:

If he aligns to England this year, won’t that discount him from SOO/Australia next year when back in Oz. 

He's got very little chance of making the NSW SoO squad. I don't think he'd be one of the first five choices.

[Davo5]

2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Hastings remit in the position he was selected was to guide the team, his failure to that has a direct effect on the performance of others, but saying that yes some did not perform as expected.

Hard for any halfback to shine when your forwards are getting battered and of the halfbacks named who will do that job,? 
Gale who’s hardly stepped on a field in 3 yrs ?

Williams who is struggling to find his best form this year ?

Lomax who has hardly played halfback at test level and has a poor kicking game ?

[John C H]

8 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Again, you can’t switch between tier 1 Nations. Once you represent England, Australia or New Zealand you can no longer switch to another one of those Nations. Hastings has made exactly the commitment demanded from some fans, only to then be dismissed.

I’m absolutely fine with him playing for England. Like you say he has made the commitment. If he is the best halfback England have got (and personally I think he probably will be) then pick him. 

[graveyard johnny]

it was hardly surprising williams predictable style of play would be worked out by top nrl coaches this many games in- can't see canberra putting up with poor form of any player much longer the way their season is going - real question is who can contain or deal with cleary and munster in a wc final? 

[Davo5]

20 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

it was hardly surprising williams predictable style of play would be worked out by top nrl coaches this many games in- can't see canberra putting up with poor form of any player much longer the way their season is going - real question is who can contain or deal with cleary and munster in a wc final? 

Williams predictable

[graveyard johnny]

13 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Williams predictable

inside pass - kick 

[ATLANTISMAN]

Would be a bad decision (Better stick to acting:) I cannot see Shaun Wane selecting him anyway.

 

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[Dunbar]

43 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

inside pass - kick 

Is that Williams or is that the way that the Raiders play and he has been coached to play though?

The last thing you would say about Williams when he left Wigan was he was predictable. In fact, despite his obvious skill set, the big worry was that he wasn't structured enough to manage a team and was a bit of a maverick. 

If he has lost that and is now playing in a predictable way, that is down to the coach and his instructions.

[DavidM]

He’s such a talented player , a lot of it natural . He’s at his  best playing what he sees and playing direct . He’s a running and creative threat , but at times he’s sort of aimlessly playing lateral way in front of the defence and tipping it back inside , a popular move but one thats hardly ever confused a defence  . The Raiders attack can look really blunt and predictable . Someone like Williams needs freeing up rather than shackled to a rigid set of instructions . I think dropping Hodgson is part of all this , but at present Stuart seems confused and searching around for the answers to how he can unlock and maximise the Raiders undoubted potential . It was there , he’s moving pieces around trying to get their mojo back . Lot on williams and wighton tomorrow

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

Brian Carney has called for Wane to drop the Nationalist nonsense of preferring English born players and to pick the best players who commit to the side and qualify. This was in response to Jackson Hastings admission, Jackson Hastings has liked the video clip on social media showing he is clearly in agreement with Carney. Well said Brian.  

[Dunbar]

17 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Brian Carney has called for Wane to drop the Nationalist nonsense of preferring English born players and to pick the best players who commit to the side and qualify. This was in response to Jackson Hastings admission, Jackson Hastings has liked the video clip on social media showing he is clearly in agreement with Carney. Well said Brian.  

Isn't the whole point of international sport nationalist nonsense?

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

2 hours ago, Dunbar said:

Isn't the whole point of international sport nationalist nonsense?

It’s excluding certain people from playing for England, who want to play for England and qualify to play for England, on grounds other than their playing ability,  that’s nationalist nonsense.

[Dunbar]

19 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

It’s excluding certain people from playing for England, who want to play for England and qualify to play for England, on grounds other than their playing ability,  that’s nationalist nonsense.

It's obvious we aren't going to see eye to eye on this one.

It just boils down to the fact that I don't want Australians who happen to have an English grandmother playing for England.

I know he qualifies and I know other nations and other sports do it but it just completely devalues the whole concept of international sport for me. Isn't it supposed to be our best players against their best players and, in the end, he is one of theirs.

[Davo5]

3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

It's obvious we aren't going to see eye to eye on this one.

It just boils down to the fact that I don't want Australians who happen to have an English grandmother playing for England.

I know he qualifies and I know other nations and other sports do it but it just completely devalues the whole concept of international sport for me. Isn't it supposed to be our best players against their best players and, in the end, he is one of theirs.

Football,RU & Cricket with far greater international profiles tend to think not.

[Dunbar]

Just now, Davo5 said:

Football,RU & Cricket with far greater international profiles tend to think not.

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said I know other sports do it.

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

8 hours ago, Davo5 said:

Football,RU & Cricket with far greater international profiles tend to think not.

Every other sport has similar International eligibility rules, even in Rugby League it’s only England that doesn’t solely pick their squad on a players ability. Not only do I think it’s wrong, I think it’s only a matter of time before a group of players take a discrimination case to court, they have direct quotes from the England head coach, that’s fairly compelling.