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1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

The masterstroke of not paying the bill to the council last year is looking better and better every day!

Oh I clearly remember the way people pretended that was a great piece of business and that Salford not paying their debts was totally different to Totonro.

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16 minutes ago, Whippet13 said:

Been wondering about that myself, surely it cannot have done them any favours with the council in the rent negotiations. There were people on here at the time praising them for having good business sense, I had reservations about it then and still do.

Quite, it can't have endeared them. Someone at the council, with already massively pressured budgets, was responsible for that six figure sum of money coming in; likely the same person/group of people who are responsible for deciding on the ground being sold.

I expect that same department would be owning Moor Lane if Salford move there, and how willing will they be to collaborate?

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3 minutes ago, Damien said:

Oh I clearly remember the way people pretended that was a great piece of business and that Salford not paying their debts was totally different to Totonro.

Exactly, the masterstroke strikes again and the reputation of RL in an area that we really need it to matter (local government) declines again.

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10 hours ago, idrewthehaggis said:

Imagine if SRD were akin to York. Some of you would be saying look at these clubs. The latter in its new stadium and former in the biggest conurbation outside London, has been to two cup finals in the last few years , has a history of developing talent like Evalds, Fages, Hastings and has regular crowds of 4,000. Wants to run an Academy and has links with Ipswich Jets. All it needs is a proper grandstand and its York with bells. 

The potential is there. I don't think we can doubt that. If York is OK, so is Salford kids.

 

 

But that’s not comparing like with like. York do not have Salford’s history in the game, Salford are a long established top flight club, York have been perennial strugglers. If Salford were a new and upcoming club, your description would indeed be impressive - but they aren’t. It’s like a band that once headlined huge venues but now play modest theatres, no crime but that’s the reality. 

It’s not that long since Salford moved into their new stadium (and it was very much presented as their stadium back then) yet now they are almost homeless? Crowds never materialised to expectations yet the lesser established RU club who moved in later did better? Then after voting against Toronto they turn around and renege on a debt to the council? Is *none* of this Salford’s fault? Do you not honestly think they could-and should-have done a bit better?

For whatever reason, the fans aren’t attending. Moving to a smaller stadium is pretty much admitting defeat on this….but once you lower standards, it’s generally a one way street, with 4000 crowds becoming 3000…then 2000….

I wish it was different, a strong Salford would be a real boon to the game.

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I totally get Manchester is a large spread out city, but what's the travelling distance between FC United's stadium and Swinton or the Ethiad campus?

Likewise with Moor Lane in relation to Salford's traditional fan base?

Rugby league in Manchester is in a seriously bad place, Oldham, Swinton homeless, closely followed by the Salford debacle !

Maybe now is the time for a reality check and for these clubs to swallow a bit of pride and accept they will never own their own grounds and certainly in Swinton and Salford's case look to merge for the last throw of the dice and try to team up with Manchester City and piggy back their branding.

Before everyone shouts me down, I totally understand Salford is a city in its own right, but people outside of Manchester see Salford as a suburb of Manchester so maybe they just have to accept it.

Swinton have a hard core of 500 fans, Salford 1500 - would they do any worse as a combined Manchester team?

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21 hours ago, del capo said:

 Soccer will be allowing standing by this time next year

Not on the type of terracing that is the AJ Bell. It would need to be converted to safe standing which would a) cost a bit and b) would be likely to be the opposite of how Sale would want it. Not even moved in yet and they’ll already be falling out 😁 

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I think nearly filling Peninsula will at least create an atmosphere if fans can be vocal enough. The AJ bell looks terrible for most SRD games when third full

I imagine Salford home crowd would look about same as this? Looks okay and certainly better

 

 

 

 

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On 15/09/2021 at 19:54, Henson Park Old Firm said:

Can Moore Lane get a upgrade in capacity if need be?

Who’s going to pay for that? Salford Reds are leaving the AJ Bell Stadium because they can’t afford to pay the rent on it, Salford Council have already lost a load of money on the AJ Bell Stadium, neither party are in a position to spend money on upgrading another stadium. 

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58 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Who’s going to pay for that? Salford Reds are leaving the AJ Bell Stadium because they can’t afford to pay the rent on it, Salford Council have already lost a load of money on the AJ Bell Stadium, neither party are in a position to spend money on upgrading another stadium. 

So where did the money go when the Willows got the can?

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Couple of points-

The sale of the Willows. Erm I have an opinion on this, that if I was say Martyn Sadler I would be speaking to my journal's legal representative before printing it, having already sought advice from property and financial experts. Which is probably why the mainstream RL media did not dwell on it. plus I would wonder how newsworthy it was back then for publications devoted to sport than business.

If you are really curious, then the rebel rousing Salford Star's archives examined the complexity of that period. It is erm complex. 

Moving on I will say that the cost of building the Meccano stands at Moor Lane for the Nevilles et al was around £5m. The total cost for the AJ Bell was said to be £24m, albeit £8m was spent on clearing the land which would have happened anyway. I think in comparison that is pretty much the going rate. You get what you pay for. Basic or executive.

To me and you, millions seems extraordinary. However bare in mind, Salford Council will be investing £17m in new sports facilities (Gym, 4g pitch, swimming pools plus) at Pendleton.

Things, all things cost money.Basic or executive.

(Which prompts me to question why aren't SCFC and SRD plus the Council not looking at that huge open space off Churchill Way, Pendleton to build a new ground, given its next to a new sports facility, a bus and shopping hub, the university, Salford Crescent train station and a proposed new tram line, but hey.)

Last the pitch is exactly the same size as the one at Manchester United. 

 

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2 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

How much did they sell the Willows for?

Am I remembering it right that they hadn't actually completed the sale on the Willows when they moved?

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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It really interesting when you do a bit of googling about this and it really shows how it all went disastrously wrong for Salford. Its such a pity but with hindsight seemed very unrealistic. You really have to feel for the fans, they were fed a load of promises and false dawns but ultimately it seemed like the club were dependent on others to deliver without being able to put much into it themselves. Similar to Wakefield in some ways but at least they now have their ground back. Now Salford FC and Sale RU will reap the rewards. This from 2006:

Salford's 10-year effort to secure their future in a new modern stadium is a tale for all smaller clubs to heed. Their first discovery was that the local council, however supportive, had no money to help. They talked to commercial developers, but the scheme could not offer the 15-20% profit developers customarily require. So having identified a site next to the nearby Barton aerodrome the club formed its own company, Red City Developments, with a director, Adam Thomas, joining to drive the project on.

No cash prizes for guessing the plan Salford arrived at - a casino, the proposed twinning of stadium and gaming which is spreading across British sport like a rash. Building a supercasino was one of the few commercial models which could produce the £80m required to build a 20,000-seat landmark stadium and the infrastructure for it. Thomas overcame his own resistance to the casino idea when he visited the US. Salford enlisted an American partner, Isle of Capri.

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Red City Developments have spent £8m on buying the land and professional fees, including £500,000 on the public inquiry. Thomas believes they have demonstrated a local demand for this kind of retail and that it will not damage any town centre nearby. The planning inspector, Geoff Salter, will now report to Ruth Kelly, the minister for communities and local government, who will make the final decision.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2006/jul/19/rugbyleague.comment

Then this thread from 2008 make really interesting reading with a letter from John Wilkinson to fans, Then within a couple of pages it all starts to go wrong:

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/salford-city-reds-stadium-salford-12-000-capacity.582849/page-4

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Interesting, nah depressing in how rich men when seeking to build memorials to themselves, do the opposite, but usually someone else pays for it.

As it has pointed out, back in the day, the big mistakes were made. 20,000 capacity, 8,000 to break even, property development gone bust,  based on a wasteland with minimal public transport, a really bad deal where virtually no match day revenue went to the club, but expected to pay a massive rent bill.

There were public meetings by the clowns with the supporters who were very clear in pointing out it was in the wrong place, favouring either a renovated Willows or off the Crescent. Some just refused to go, further angered by the Council rescuing this and then Koukash. 

An exercise in how not to build a stadium, which I hope people have taken note.

A tale that seemingly led to millions being spent. Which could probably paid for a new Willows and has ended up with rugby union owning it. 

All the jesters have moved on. From the Council to the Club. Thankfully. Lets get on and save the day, today.

I hope the RL family can support Salford and ensure first class RL remains in the north's biggest conurbation. 

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