gingerjon Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Man of Kent said: Well, given Broncos' gates have dropped to tenth-tier football levels at Ealing, might it not be an idea to move to a ground with proper facilities (assuming Hughes will foot the bill)? Mate, it's a perfectly reasonable but not exactly inspiring football league ground. It's not the Bernabeu. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Just now, gingerjon said: Mate, it's a perfectly reasonable but not exactly inspiring football league ground. It's not the Bernabeu. Compared to Ealing, it's not a million miles off. It's even got indoor toilets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 28 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: Compared to Ealing, it's not a million miles off. It's even got indoor toilets! "Rugby League: You Can Wee Indoors" The slogans write themselves sometimes Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Tim Whatley Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 43 minutes ago, nadera78 said: I had a season ticket up until 18 months ago, and I can't remember the last time I had an email from the club. It was probably the one telling us they couldn't tell us we were moving to Wimbledon - about 3 months after AFCW had announced it. I also notice that the man most likely responsible for this latest, and probably final, attempt to alienate everyone connected to the club hasn't been seen posting on the fans' forum for a long while now. They just make it too easy to drift away, don't they? My first sporting love are Southend United FC. The club has been an absolute bin fire for the last two and half years, suffering back-to-back relegations. But even they realise you should still keep in touch with your fans. Even when the weekly newsletter usually leads with "Blues battle hard in 4-1 defeat". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE RED ROOSTER Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 7 hours ago, EssexRL said: As an aside I have also noticed amongst the Skolars faithful how many have northern accents - I know some are northern ex pats who want to follow RL down here and Skolars are there nearest team. There are very few people like me and my son who are southerners who follow the sport. That was not always the case in the early years, it became that way as things drifted on. You did a thread about why people got into Rugby League out of non-traditional areas a coupe of years ago. Personally I am a southerner who has spent a lot of time in Australia / New Zealand where the sport is much bigger than here. Plus League is a nostalgia sport with me in that those in the standing areas in the north are me if my life had taken a different turning coming from a working class background. Which is not too dissimilar to the RL Chairmen who are self-made in the main. It's diffifcult to put a finger on it but there some sports that you are more comfortable with, for example you would not see me at Wimbledon or the Golf wheras the players and fans of league - regional accents apart - I am more comfortable being in the company of. Its true that with the Broncos even some of the user names people post under declare their allegance to another club. I mean what club when it used to have fan events in the dim and distant past would have people turning up dressed in pristine St Helens or Hull KR shirts But that just highlights another problem, the Broncos never knew their target audience - Northern Ex-Pats, Transient Aussies and Kiwis, Native Southerners, Soccer fans, Rugby Union fans or just a scattergun approach aiming at the lot.. That is partly why the club is where it is. Quote When the pinch comes the common people will turn out to be more intelligent than the clever ones. I certainly hope so. George Orwell You either own NFTs or women’s phone numbers but not both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssexRL Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, THE RED ROOSTER said: It's diffifcult to put a finger on it but there some sports that you are more comfortable with, for example you would not see me at Wimbledon or the Golf wheras the players and fans of league - regional accents apart - I am more comfortable being in the company of. But that just highlights another problem, the Broncos never knew their target audience - Northern Ex-Pats, Transient Aussies and Kiwis, Native Southerners, Soccer fans, Rugby Union fans or just a scattergun approach aiming at the lot.. That is partly why the club is where it is. Agree about which sports you like. I think there's a split between team and individual sports but beyond that who knows. I think I have said before that I was "given" football as my sport by my dad (and his team Reading FC) but "chose" RL because I think its an exciting spectacle (mostly!) The history of the game is interesting but maybe that's something we need to leave behind. The north of today is hardly the same of that in Wigan Pier or This Sporting Life. Does the old working class image appeal in Rochdale, yet alone Reading? Agree also on your second point. In recent years I think its basically been 'hope for the best'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelic Cynic Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said: But that just highlights another problem, the Broncos never knew their target audience - Northern Ex-Pats, Transient Aussies and Kiwis, Native Southerners, Soccer fans, Rugby Union fans or just a scattergun approach aiming at the lot.. That is partly why the club is where it is. In the case of London Broncos,perhaps of all rugby league clubs,the more pressing question should be asked of the lapsed fans as to why they no longer bother. In soccer,they support the same club,' till they die',and that support has followed on through generations,and great grandparents took the grandparents,who took the children who took their children. Getting the children involved is the answer,I believe. Their is no connection between the rugby league clubs and the supporters.As Broncos fans have discovered there just isn't any communication or even a smidgen of interest shown to the diehards. People can,and do,go elsewhere. No reserves,but resilience,persistence and determination are omnipotent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westlondonfan Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Man of Kent said: Compared to Ealing, it's not a million miles off. It's even got indoor toilets! Whatever you say about Ealing Trailfinders everything there is new, shiny and clean. Many stadiums look like they have seen better days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssexRL Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Angelic Cynic said: In soccer,they support the same club,' till they die',and that support has followed on through generations,and great grandparents took the grandparents,who took the children who took their children. For some soccer clubs that’s true but not all by a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 3 hours ago, EssexRL said: The north of today is hardly the same of that in Wigan Pier or This Sporting Life Yes it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC77 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 19 hours ago, Angelic Cynic said: In the case of London Broncos,perhaps of all rugby league clubs,the more pressing question should be asked of the lapsed fans as to why they no longer bother. In soccer,they support the same club,' till they die',and that support has followed on through generations,and great grandparents took the grandparents,who took the children who took their children. Getting the children involved is the answer,I believe. Their is no connection between the rugby league clubs and the supporters.As Broncos fans have discovered there just isn't any communication or even a smidgen of interest shown to the diehards. People can,and do,go elsewhere. Rugby league is quite unique though in that it is largely entrenched in pit towns. This is according to Tony Collins on his RL podcast, adding that football doesn’t have a connection to the pits (although I dispute his ascertain somewhat in that three Scottish managerial giants Bill Shankly, Matt Busby and Jock Stein (for example) who transformed Liverpool, Manchester United and Celtic all worked down the pits in Scotland). With the end of the pits, and the affiliated community centres in these areas, RL maybe doesn’t have the same fan base that it could once rely on. Sport is tied in with the community, and if the community changes it will impact the sport. I’m coming from a totally outside view on this but I’ve seen it mentioned numerous times on here that the bus loads who went to Challenge Cup finals in the past doesn’t happen today anywhere near like it once did. From a football perspective, the large clubs (or any Premier League club) don’t rely on the communities they are based in (I say this as a Liverpool fan living a few hundred miles away in Ireland). So it’s really only the smaller football clubs that would be similarly reliant on their local community as rugby league clubs. The media profile of football as well as high participation levels means those smaller clubs get an extra leg up in their communities that RL clubs cannot call upon, so that could be why support in lower league football has remained strong in comparison. A Harry Kane helps a Whitby Town FC, as individuals help grow a sport as kids want to emulate them, buy boots, go to see games etc. The profile of RL in London is pretty much non existent, and with there also not being much of a presence of RL being played in fields/parks among kids in London then growing a club there is nigh on impossible. Without developing significant roots in the game in London Hughes is throwing money away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE RED ROOSTER Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Danny Ward interview with Brian Carney https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/rugby-league/12352598/super-league-off-the-cuff Some nuggets there about Planning for the future Moving Grounds Quote When the pinch comes the common people will turn out to be more intelligent than the clever ones. I certainly hope so. George Orwell You either own NFTs or women’s phone numbers but not both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frying Scotsman Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said: Danny Ward interview with Brian Carney https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/rugby-league/12352598/super-league-off-the-cuff Some nuggets there about Planning for the future Moving Grounds Looks interesting. Unfortunately it is geoblocked again, so you can probably watch it in England, but nowhere else. Sometimes it feels like the powers that be don't really want this sport to thrive or expand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westlondonfan Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said: Danny Ward interview with Brian Carney https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/rugby-league/12352598/super-league-off-the-cuff Some nuggets there about Planning for the future Moving Grounds Thanks Red Rooster.I A really good interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 07/07/2021 at 09:48, Man of Kent said: Well, given Broncos' gates have dropped to tenth-tier football levels at Ealing, might it not be an idea to move to a ground with proper facilities (assuming Hughes will foot the bill)? Its an idea absolutely.. it would also be an idea to move to a park pitch near Brentford as that was a place they had some good gates.. so then those park pitch crowds will automatically go up. IMHO the biggest problem with London, as it has been for a long time, is that they do not engage with the fanbase or potential fan base.. even when i was in London they didnt do this properly and didnt engage properly with the amateur clubs. IF they really want to solve some of the problems they actually have to find out what the problem is. Falling crowds is not the problem it is the symptom.. what is the underlying issue? Maybe it is the ground but maybe it is also the area and where it is (does Wimbledon fix this? i would say probably not), maybe it is KO times, maybe its something to do with the club itself, maybe its the fact no one knows when you are playing etc etc etc.. They have to find the problem and fix it otherwise we will be going round and round and round and round like this ad infinitum, or at least until David Hughes cant be bothered anymore and just gives up... and a new owner with money is only going to be able to do something about it if they then look at the issue, if they do not then we are back in the loop again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10 hours ago, The Frying Scotsman said: Looks interesting. Unfortunately it is geoblocked again, so you can probably watch it in England, but nowhere else. Sometimes it feels like the powers that be don't really want this sport to thrive or expand! I can confirm it is accessible from Wales too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: I can confirm it is accessible from Wales too! And I would guess in Scotland. Maybe restricted to the places that Sky broadcast to? Alternatively the original poster may just be either stirring or making stuff up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 05/07/2021 at 17:28, Hela Wigmen said: What is London Broncos actually worth? Now, I don’t mean, what would Hughes like to recoup but actually what are they worth? They aren't worth anything at all are they surely ? Can't remortgage or sell their ground, don't own one. Can't sell all the players because Clubs will just wait for their contracts to expire, which would be quick, no doubt. RFL Membership / Licence? Not worth much at all as a serious backer well known to the organisation would probably get awarded a membership without the need to buy someone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: They aren't worth anything at all are they surely ? Can't remortgage or sell their ground, don't own one. Can't sell all the players because Clubs will just wait for their contracts to expire, which would be quick, no doubt. RFL Membership / Licence? Not worth much at all as a serious backer well known to the organisation would probably get awarded a membership without the need to buy someone else's. The brand itself including present and historic (If still trademarked) logos and any associated social media accounts that have been verified (Blue ticked) could be worth something to be fair to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Smudger06 said: The brand itself including present and historic (If still trademarked) logos and any associated social media accounts that have been verified (Blue ticked) could be worth something to be fair to them. A toxic brand isn't worth diddly squat though. London Broncos have obviously alienated a lot of people and made plenty of mistakes, I'm not sure what the value is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westlondonfan Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 hours ago, RP London said: Its an idea absolutely.. it would also be an idea to move to a park pitch near Brentford as that was a place they had some good gates.. so then those park pitch crowds will automatically go up. IMHO the biggest problem with London, as it has been for a long time, is that they do not engage with the fanbase or potential fan base.. even when i was in London they didnt do this properly and didnt engage properly with the amateur clubs. IF they really want to solve some of the problems they actually have to find out what the problem is. Falling crowds is not the problem it is the symptom.. what is the underlying issue? Maybe it is the ground but maybe it is also the area and where it is (does Wimbledon fix this? i would say probably not), maybe it is KO times, maybe its something to do with the club itself, maybe its the fact no one knows when you are playing etc etc etc.. They have to find the problem and fix it otherwise we will be going round and round and round and round like this ad infinitum, or at least until David Hughes cant be bothered anymore and just gives up... and a new owner with money is only going to be able to do something about it if they then look at the issue, if they do not then we are back in the loop again. I think I am right on saying the big drop in attendances took place at the Stoop and then Barnet. Until they indicated that we would move attendances were going up at Trailfinders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frying Scotsman Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 hours ago, LeeF said: And I would guess in Scotland. Maybe restricted to the places that Sky broadcast to? Alternatively the original poster may just be either stirring or making stuff up I'm not making anything up. Your allegation is idiotic and completely unfounded. I live in the EU, and cannot watch it. It is geoblocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 6 hours ago, RP London said: Its an idea absolutely.. it would also be an idea to move to a park pitch near Brentford as that was a place they had some good gates.. so then those park pitch crowds will automatically go up. IMHO the biggest problem with London, as it has been for a long time, is that they do not engage with the fanbase or potential fan base.. even when i was in London they didnt do this properly and didnt engage properly with the amateur clubs. IF they really want to solve some of the problems they actually have to find out what the problem is. Falling crowds is not the problem it is the symptom.. what is the underlying issue? Maybe it is the ground but maybe it is also the area and where it is (does Wimbledon fix this? i would say probably not), maybe it is KO times, maybe its something to do with the club itself, maybe its the fact no one knows when you are playing etc etc etc.. They have to find the problem and fix it otherwise we will be going round and round and round and round like this ad infinitum, or at least until David Hughes cant be bothered anymore and just gives up... and a new owner with money is only going to be able to do something about it if they then look at the issue, if they do not then we are back in the loop again. I realise this, RP. Fan engagement is poor. This is where I see a role for fans. This is what AFC Wimbledon does https://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/news/2021/june/help-make-a-difference-for-the-homecoming-season/ I recently put the LBSA directly in contact with the key contact on the Dons Trust board to discuss such matters and last time I heard they were going to meet up. Hopefully something comes of it as it’s in both clubs’ interests for the groundshare to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJW Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 18 hours ago, The Frying Scotsman said: Looks interesting. Unfortunately it is geoblocked again, so you can probably watch it in England, but nowhere else. Sometimes it feels like the powers that be don't really want this sport to thrive or expand! Surely it's SKY who have blocked it? Same as you have to be 'inventive' if you want to watch their programmes outside of UK? My wife complains I selfishly stop her fulfilling her true ambition - she really wants to be a rich widow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonbronco Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 This is the part of the interview that sums up London Broncos current precarious state (edit - especially with the exit of Romain Navarrete to Toulouse)... Brian Carney: Did you ever come across in all your time, and it's 14 years as a player and a coach, but particularly your time as a coach or a senior player, come across or be told about a strategic plan for London? Danny Ward: No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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