Wiltshire Warrior Dragon Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 As a Tesco Clubcard holder, I have just received one of their regular emails. Amongst other things, it invites me to buy 'pre-marinated' BBQ meat. Why 'pre- marinated'? What's wrong with 'marinated'? More generally, why is there an apparently increased obsession with the prefix 'pre', which, being a simple country lad with a Latin 'O' level, I always understood to mean 'before', as in 'prehistoric' meaning 'before history' in the sense of documented eras? Recently, we learnt that Prince Philip's death was, at least in part, due to a 'pre-existing' condition. And i cannot recall the last time some junk email merely invited me to 'order' something; it has to be 'pre-order' nowadays! So, the Duke of Edinburgh apparently suffered from a condition that existed before it existed, while I can order something before I can order it. Perhaps I should just relax with a nice BBQ including meat....marinated before it was marinated....aaagh! I used to be a serious linguistic pedant, but the writings of Oliver Kamm in The Times made me much less pedantic. His message in a nutshell was that English is alive and well and always changing, as was ever the case. OK, but there are limits...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Order v pre-order - the latter really means fully-paid reservation of an item or service that is not yet available (but in a less long-winded way). It can be used to avoid confusion, but there are always sloppy people who'll apply it to anything. A pre-existing condition is also fair enough. If you catch COVID, your survival chances are worse if you have a pre-existing respiratory condition, such as asthma. I suppose you could call it an already-established contributory ailment, if you absolutely must. "Pre-marinated", on the other hand, is pure horsefeathers. I'd like to do something premeditated to whoever came up with that. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hallucinating Goose Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Futtocks said: Order v pre-order - the latter really means fully-paid reservation of an item or service that is not yet available (but in a less long-winded way). It can be used to avoid confusion, but there are always sloppy people who'll apply it to anything. A pre-existing condition is also fair enough. If you catch COVID, your survival chances are worse if you have a pre-existing respiratory condition, such as asthma. I suppose you could call it an already-established contributory ailment, if you absolutely must. "Pre-marinated", on the other hand, is pure horsefeathers. I'd like to do something premeditated to whoever came up with that. Dropped yourself in it there Mr. Futtocks, by saying you'd like to do something premeditated this is tangible evidence of your premeditation of the premeditated meditation and so should you be caught for the premeditated meditation you can't argue that it was simply an of the moment meditation and thus be found guilty of a meditation as opposed to a premeditated meditation which I'm afraid carries a much harsher premeditated punishment. Of course if you meditate to delete your meditation on the premeditated meditation that you'd like to carry out then we can just all premeditate to forget your meditation and go on with our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said: Dropped yourself in it there Mr. Futtocks, by saying you'd like to do something premeditated this is tangible evidence of your premeditation of the premeditated meditation and so should you be caught for the premeditated meditation you can't argue that it was simply an of the moment meditation and thus be found guilty of a meditation as opposed to a premeditated meditation which I'm afraid carries a much harsher premeditated punishment. Of course if you meditate to delete your meditation on the premeditated meditation that you'd like to carry out then we can just all premeditate to forget your meditation and go on with our lives. I may have been premature... Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Futtocks said: I may have been premature... Where you not being pre-premature? Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Padge said: Where you not being pre-premature? More immature than anything. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 36 minutes ago, Futtocks said: More immature than anything. Or pre-anything. Sort that out Cox. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hallucinating Goose Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Futtocks said: I may have been premature... I am often premature.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 How do you pre-heat an oven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hallucinating Goose Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Premenstrual tension. The problem I have with this is it is a menstrual cycle and so is reoccurring which means that isn't premenstrual tension also post menstrual tension which is also premenstrual tension..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Robin Evans said: How do you pre-heat an oven? Pre just means before the event in question. Pre heat oven before cooking, rather than switch oven on and put food straight in. Pre order: on Amazon for instance, look at product on sale and order it, or pre order if it's not available yet. Pre menstrual tensions are feelings women get ,ie mood swings before menstruation, ie it's before the event. BTW I never never preheat oven before cooking, pop food in and just add 5 minutes to cooking time, same result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Pre heat? Isn't that just heat the oven until it reaches x°c? It's either heated or it isn't. Pre-heat just sounds nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Warrior Dragon Posted July 15, 2021 Author Share Posted July 15, 2021 27 minutes ago, HawkMan said: Pre just means before the event in question. Pre heat oven before cooking, rather than switch oven on and put food straight in. Pre order: on Amazon for instance, look at product on sale and order it, or pre order if it's not available yet. Pre menstrual tensions are feelings women get ,ie mood swings before menstruation, ie it's before the event. BTW I never never preheat oven before cooking, pop food in and just add 5 minutes to cooking time, same result. Thanks for the tip, HawkMan. I may try that when I am next baking bread. At present I heat (note, not 'pre-heat') the oven to about 210 degrees C, before I put the bread in. The baking time is variable, as the loaves are of different sizes. So, in any case, it is always my practice to keep checking how they are doing from about the twenty minutes mark onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 13 hours ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said: As a Tesco Clubcard holder, I have just received one of their regular emails. Amongst other things, it invites me to buy 'pre-marinated' BBQ meat. Why 'pre- marinated'? What's wrong with 'marinated'? More generally, why is there an apparently increased obsession with the prefix 'pre', which, being a simple country lad with a Latin 'O' level, I always understood to mean 'before', as in 'prehistoric' meaning 'before history' in the sense of documented eras? Recently, we learnt that Prince Philip's death was, at least in part, due to a 'pre-existing' condition. And i cannot recall the last time some junk email merely invited me to 'order' something; it has to be 'pre-order' nowadays! So, the Duke of Edinburgh apparently suffered from a condition that existed before it existed, while I can order something before I can order it. Perhaps I should just relax with a nice BBQ including meat....marinated before it was marinated....aaagh! I used to be a serious linguistic pedant, but the writings of Oliver Kamm in The Times made me much less pedantic. His message in a nutshell was that English is alive and well and always changing, as was ever the case. OK, but there are limits...... There is a case for pre-ordering a book. You order a book that has been released, to order it before it can actually be ordered (i.e. it is not published yet) could be pre-order. But, it is pushing it. I have been annoyed by epicentre. Which, should mean above the actual centre point. This make perfect sense in an Earthquate, i.e. Stoke was the epicentre. But, for a human disease, the epicentre would be above the outbreak. The word used should be "centre", but people were saying "epidemic" and were in the habit of saying "epi". 39 minutes ago, HawkMan said: Pre just means before the event in question. Pre heat oven before cooking, rather than switch oven on and put food straight in. Pre order: on Amazon for instance, look at product on sale and order it, or pre order if it's not available yet. Pre menstrual tensions are feelings women get ,ie mood swings before menstruation, ie it's before the event. BTW I never never preheat oven before cooking, pop food in and just add 5 minutes to cooking time, same result. I was with you all the way to the last line. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza77 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Robin Evans said: How do you pre-heat an oven? Get an aga. You don't need to then. Please view my photos. http://www.hughesphoto.co.uk/ Little Nook Farm - Caravan Club Certificated Location in the heart of the Pennines overlooking Hebden Bridge and the Calder Valley. http://www.facebook.com/LittleNookFarm Little Nook Cottage - 2-bed self-catering cottage in the heart of the Pennines overlooking Hebden Bridge and the Calder Valley. Book now via airbnb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 2 hours ago, gazza77 said: Get an aga. You don't need to then. A particularly pleasant thing to have in the kitchen on a swelteringly hot day... Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 17 hours ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said: As a Tesco Clubcard holder, I have just received one of their regular emails. Amongst other things, it invites me to buy 'pre-marinated' BBQ meat. Why 'pre- marinated'? What's wrong with 'marinated'? More generally, why is there an apparently increased obsession with the prefix 'pre', which, being a simple country lad with a Latin 'O' level, I always understood to mean 'before', as in 'prehistoric' meaning 'before history' in the sense of documented eras? Recently, we learnt that Prince Philip's death was, at least in part, due to a 'pre-existing' condition. And i cannot recall the last time some junk email merely invited me to 'order' something; it has to be 'pre-order' nowadays! So, the Duke of Edinburgh apparently suffered from a condition that existed before it existed, while I can order something before I can order it. Perhaps I should just relax with a nice BBQ including meat....marinated before it was marinated....aaagh! I used to be a serious linguistic pedant, but the writings of Oliver Kamm in The Times made me much less pedantic. His message in a nutshell was that English is alive and well and always changing, as was ever the case. OK, but there are limits...... Exactly. Yes., the English language, unlike some others, evolves with new words and expressions, becoming more expressive and efficient but the creeping rot of pre gets me angry, very angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, Johnoco said: When was the earthquake in Stoke? I really should pay more attention to the news. Any damage? Only one in the last year apparently... https://earthquaketrack.com/gb-eng-stoke-on-trent/recent "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 8 hours ago, Robin Evans said: How do you pre-heat an oven? its like on a building site the common saying goes - bricklaying is not supposed to be going on unless its 3 degrees and rising- to me its either 3 degrees or its not! no shelia ferguson jokes please. see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Warrior Dragon Posted July 16, 2021 Author Share Posted July 16, 2021 And from a National Trust email today; from this Monday, there is apparently no need to 'pre-book' to visit English properties. Surely 'booking', in that sense of the word, can only be done in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 On 15/07/2021 at 14:29, JohnM said: Exactly. Yes., the English language, unlike some others, evolves with new words and expressions, becoming more expressive and efficient but the creeping rot of pre gets me angry, very angry. Are there languages that don't evolve? Its a subject I know little about but I just presumed all did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumby Magic Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I get this to a certain extent. Another pre but not in the literacy sense is Baby Showers and Engagement parties. This is pre the event. As a father who lost a daughter you are celebrating something that may not happen. I completely don't get engagement parties though. One of my former mates sister had an engagement party got 2000 pounds worth of goods and they separated within a couple of weeks after. You're celebrating a promise ffs Like poor jokes? Thejoketeller@mullymessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Damien said: Are there languages that don't evolve? Its a subject I know little about but I just presumed all did. You'd think not, but some countries have bodies that define and regulate the language. The Académie Française comes to mind. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Académie_Française Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 On 15/07/2021 at 15:29, JohnM said: Exactly. Yes., the English language, unlike some others, evolves with new words and expressions, becoming more expressive and efficient but the creeping rot of pre gets me angry, very angry. How about the -ous ending changing from meaning a cause of to a feeling of? And, the real monsters of the Covid-19 epidemic, those who have used "epicentre" for "centre". Bill Gates really should inject microchips if it is necessary to correct them. I will help. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 You are literally correct. Not metaphorically, not actually, not realistically but LITERALLY.. Its not rocket science. Why the US had to kidnap the pesky Von Braun I don't know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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