Relegation Off?

[voteronniegibbs]

4 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

You mean like Cas's and Wakeys stadium ' plans ' ?

Cas & Wakey's stadium plans are brilliant

[gittinsfan]

3 hours ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

When people say things like this they really need to specify whether they mean Skolars or Broncos, as they are very similar outfits.

Sorry TPH but you are wrong.London should not be metioned at all.Fev and TO are the only possible contenders.

May the best team win.

[Pigeon Lofter]

1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

You mean like Cas's and Wakeys stadium ' plans ' ?

SuperLeague will continue to be ridiculed as an elite league while they allow those ramshackle stadiums to be permitted, if anything makes the sport look "two bob" is those archaic venues that get shown on tv year in year out. If those clubs can't get a decent venue to play out of then they should be booted until they sort it out, or drop down a level where that kind of ground isn't looked down on.

[voteronniegibbs]

6 minutes ago, Pigeon Lofter said:

SuperLeague will continue to be ridiculed as an elite league while they allow those ramshackle stadiums to be permitted, if anything makes the sport look "two bob" is those archaic venues that get shown on tv year in year out. If those clubs can't get a decent venue to play out of then they should be booted until they sort it out, or drop down a level where that kind of ground isn't looked down on.

Here we go again, so you evict, relegate, throw out, remove clubs based on how shiny their toilets are and replace them with clubs who do have shiny toilets.

No-one goes to watch rugby for the quality of the mushy pea van, they go to watch quality rugby on the pitch.

If all that mattered was epic stadia then London Broncos would be champions and still be playing at Harlequins RU ground.

[Pigeon Lofter]

43 minutes ago, voteronniegibbs said:

Here we go again, so you evict, relegate, throw out, remove clubs...

Yep. Tough love needed. There should be no place for such decrepit stadia in "Super League". Would incentivise those clubs and communities to sort it out or move away from the broadcasters prying eye. 

[RayCee]

3 hours ago, Pulga said:

It just means you need a good plan.

You've come to the wrong forum mate. We're talking about RL which doesn't do plans, let alone good ones. 

[voteronniegibbs]

3 minutes ago, Pigeon Lofter said:

Yep. Tough love needed. There should be no place for such decrepit stadia in "Super League". Would incentivise those clubs and communities to sort it out or move away from the broadcasters prying eye. 

In which case do you,

1, go down to a 10 ( possibly 8 based on stadia ) Super League.

2, replace them with a random pair of clubs who have shiny toilets, but no decent squad,  and then hope over the next 10 years those couple of clubs find a sugar daddy to buy them some decent players.

3, bring in a 20 years no relegation franchise and give the poorer clubs a chance to build a shiny mushy pea stall

4, allow the possibility, that one day, Richard Branson will divert the money he is spending on moon flight to rugby league, and ensure t'Broncos get their act together and buy out Chelsea's ground.

 

 

 

[Pigeon Lofter]

13 minutes ago, voteronniegibbs said:

In which case do you,..............

The country is awash with businesses which get involved with sport, doubt many of them ever consider rugby league as it looks like it's on its uppers and sliding into obscurity, it's oblivious to it's tin-pot image and ill-prepared to try and change it. Incredibly, it celebrates it's insularity as though that's a good thing! All clubs outside SL have an aged paying audience which won't be around in the next decade or two and amateur clubs are disappearing like the morning mist. What future for RL unless it radically changes public perception? How much more derelict must Wheldon Road become before someone addresses the elephants in the room?

Professional RL in the UK is looking more and more like something out of a Charles Dickens novel than a twenty first century sport.

 

[Big Picture]

53 minutes ago, Pigeon Lofter said:

The country is awash with businesses which get involved with sport, doubt many of them ever consider rugby league as it looks like it's on its uppers and sliding into obscurity, it's oblivious to it's tin-pot image and ill-prepared to try and change it. Incredibly, it celebrates it's insularity as though that's a good thing! All clubs outside SL have an aged paying audience which won't be around in the next decade or two and amateur clubs are disappearing like the morning mist. What future for RL unless it radically changes public perception? How much more derelict must Wheldon Road become before someone addresses the elephants in the room?

Professional RL in the UK is looking more and more like something out of a Charles Dickens novel than a twenty first century sport.

 

That insularity is all they know though, moving beyond it is inconceivable for anyone within the game.  The way club directors worry about "away fans" and the relative pittance they add to any club's bottom line is proof of that.

As John Kear suggested in an interview a few years ago, professional RL in the UK could cease to exist before too long and the way things are going his view looks more and more like a premonition of the future.

[Tex Evans Thigh]

Only Toulouse and Fev are worthy of promotion at the moment. London will be lucky to be a championship team soon. I know it’s only an Internet forum but people need to get this ‘big city equals big club’ mentality out of their heads. If there’s promotion it should be the clubs that are in the best position to make a go of it. 

[Oxford]

6 hours ago, Pigeon Lofter said:

Tough love needed.

Wow, I just love the short termism doomed to achieve nothing but protect the haves .....yet again.

[The Phantom Horseman]

10 hours ago, The storm said:

What a bizarre and truly uneducated response 

It's really not, in that the two teams are both totally ill suited to being considered for SL. The Broncos are a complete basket case of an outfit right now, and even what remains of their fanbase will mostly tell you the club is in no fit state to be considered for SL. 

[The Phantom Horseman]

9 hours ago, gittinsfan said:

Sorry TPH but you are wrong.London should not be metioned at all.Fev and TO are the only possible contenders.

May the best team win.

 I think you might have misunderstood the context in which I mentioned the Broncos, but we are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

[The Blues Ox]

The sport already looks like a two bob sport when we have to promote a team to SL and then when we do we take away the funding from them that every team in SL gets and would have given them some hope to try and compete and then people slate them when, as expected, they fail to win a game all season. In the mean time other chairman of certain clubs are laughing their cocks off all the way to the bank.

I realy do not get the obsession with putting a team from London in to SL. There is a saying about doing the same things over and over and getting the same result.

[Blind side johnny]

14 hours ago, Gooleboy said:

Ken Davy's interview in the RL Express was a waste of time. Told us nothing.

It seemed very truthful to me - many things remain undecided so it is futile to speculate seemed to be the message. Much better than the spin and sparkle of an Elstone interview.

[Blind side johnny]

Oh good, a P&R thread.

It must be July already.

[gittinsfan]

45 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

 I think you might have misunderstood the context in which I mentioned the Broncos, but we are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

I think I understood your post,maybe I could have worded my response better.Congratulations on yesterday by the way.

[Exiled Wiganer]

6 hours ago, Tex Evans Thigh said:

Only Toulouse and Fev are worthy of promotion at the moment. London will be lucky to be a championship team soon. I know it’s only an Internet forum but people need to get this ‘big city equals big club’ mentality out of their heads. If there’s promotion it should be the clubs that are in the best position to make a go of it. 

I have spent a lot of time and money watching the Broncos, and agree that they are never going to be a top club. However, London is still one of the biggest RL markets in the world. SImply look at the 10s of thousands that turn up to event fixtures down here. We can get more to an international than anywhere else aside from OT, in numbers which Fev couldn’t dream of getting over 2 full seasons. 

[The Blues Ox]

13 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

I have spent a lot of time and money watching the Broncos, and agree that they are never going to be a top club. However, London is still one of the biggest RL markets in the world. SImply look at the 10s of thousands that turn up to event fixtures down here. We can get more to an international than anywhere else aside from OT, in numbers which Fev couldn’t dream of getting over 2 full seasons. 

Yes because it means we can leave our Northern towns for a holiday to watch the game we love. Fev are not competing against England or GB.

[crashmon]

Basically all sports (thats all sports not just RL), are all having some form of revenue issue. You only have to look at the shambles which was the Euro wendyball super league, and the fact that there is less commerical / tv revenue coming into all sports, as people are no longer paying the TV subs they used to to watch the sports, hence less money coming in from tv, and pretty much all professional sports are reliant on TV money in some form.

• Football is global, so you can sell rights all over the world (for instance China, far east etc), so this can fill in some of the loss of local (ie UK / Europe) revenue to help clubs.. For instance in Japan you will see lots of Liverpool / United / Arsenal shirts, very few Wigan / Saints / Warrington shirts.   SO the vast majority of sports money will go to football here
• Union, while it has the same issue regarding funding at the club level as RL, Union has an extremely strong international game which has large funding streams. In Union the amount the RFU makes from the 6 nations / World Cup / England internations (same for wales), means that the Union game is in a much beter place than Leauge is right now, even the most die hard league fan will have to admin far far more people tune into the 6 nations, than any International League game.  For instance if Twickernam held 200,000 fans, I bet it would fill for a England vs NZ , England V ireland, England v wales game.  You would be lucky to get 60K for England vs Aus world cup final in League
• Cricket again at a club level struggles, but has the IPL and the backing of India which has a lot of money at the elite level. We don't have a country with 1 Billion people obsessed with RL right now

So the above three sports even if they have funding issues at the club level, have additional revenue streams which League can only dream of. So how do you expand the revenue, and make the game attractive to the places which have the money to invest.  These are right now 1) Far east (china atc), 2) Gulf (Saudi etc), 3) America.   This is where the money is not in Britain or in Europe.

How do you make saints v wigan to a china audience as relevant as Man United vs Liverpool? If you want to keep RL in the m62 corridor but then be competing with Union, Football and Cricket you are going to either need to make the brand awareness of these clubs on a par with Liverpool, United, City etc in China, Japan, Qatar etc, or like Union / Cricket you are going to need to make the International game popular so it makes real revenue which can float down to the clubs.

 

[Scubby]

With respect to Leigh, how can they be judged whether they should stay in SL or not after this year? They put in a bid like everyone else and SL took a punt on them knowing they would take much less money, moan less and have a crack. Now did they approve Leigh as the best SL long term prospect from all the bids or a sticky plaster fit for a desperate competition looking at 11 teams a few weeks out?

Equally, relegating Leigh and then protecting a newly promoted club would be just a plain kick in the teeth for a club willing to step up. It is a right royal mess. People are taking sides on Toulouse, Fev, Leigh based on a bloody dog's dinner of a leadership strategy. We should all know what the plan is and where 'all' clubs stand within this plan.

 

[Lowdesert]

20 minutes ago, Scubby said:

With respect to Leigh, how can they be judged whether they should stay in SL or not after this year? They put in a bid like everyone else and SL took a punt on them knowing they would take much less money, moan less and have a crack. Now did they approve Leigh as the best SL long term prospect from all the bids or a sticky plaster fit for a desperate competition looking at 11 teams a few weeks out?

Equally, relegating Leigh and then protecting a newly promoted club would be just a plain kick in the teeth for a club willing to step up. It is a right royal mess. People are taking sides on Toulouse, Fev, Leigh based on a bloody dog's dinner of a leadership strategy. We should all know what the plan is and where 'all' clubs stand within this plan.

 

But for the RFL strategic plan (updated June 2021) and the Dividend Plan, put together for govt. funding assistance (good doc btw) there is nothing.  SLE will continue to blag it as they go along and the RFL will keep updating small sections of their Plan until the end of 2021 then just carry on checking their salary is in the bank.

Those responsible for generating support in the SL ‘split’ really do have a lot to answer for.  

 

[Chris Taylor]

42 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

But for the RFL strategic plan (updated June 2021) and the Dividend Plan.  

 

Have you got a link for this? 

[fighting irish]

4 hours ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

 I think you might have misunderstood the context in which I mentioned the Broncos, but we are basically singing from the same hymn sheet.

Who are you singing these hymns to?

[lucky 7]

13 hours ago, voteronniegibbs said:

Here we go again, so you evict, relegate, throw out, remove clubs based on how shiny their toilets are and replace them with clubs who do have shiny toilets.

No-one goes to watch rugby for the quality of the mushy pea van, they go to watch quality rugby on the pitch.

If all that mattered was epic stadia then London Broncos would be champions and still be playing at Harlequins RU ground.

Lets not forget that Wakey have been promising a new ground or a total refurb of thier ground for over 20 years and it's still a total dump.

Every time there are rumours meantioning about Super League and stadia they get some plans drawn up on the back of a fag packet