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1 minute ago, Blind side johnny said:

If the competition were to go ahead without either the Australian or NZ teams would decent crowds turn out to watch the games?

Or is there the danger of it becoming a half-hearted and embarrassing tournament?

This isn't an attempt at negativity, just reality in the face of a relentlessly anti-RL media.

Today's announcement has probably revealed the existence of the RWC to many who wouldn't have known about it. 

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13 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

Calling it now - this is gaining so much momentum we might just get u-turn here people! 

 

Interesting… will the RLPA be timid and know where their pay check comes from (as NRLhope) or will they go guns blazing at the appalling lack of consultation? More fun to be had over the coming days!

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2 minutes ago, andyscoot said:

Not sure how that's relevant, especially to my comment which is just stating a fact that right now, both NZ and Aus have athletes overseas competing.

Then we live in separate universes of logic.

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Just a quick line from me that calling out the players for this is both wrong and self defeating.

All the quotes I have seen from NRL players about the World Cup is that they are looking forward to it.  Similarly a survey quoted on here said that 75% of players were happy and ready to come. Some wouldn't but that is their choice.

But that choice has been taken away by the ARL and NZRL under pressure from the clubs.  The issue was the competition and the quarantine and how that would impact NRL 2022... the player welfare messaging is an attempt to deflect.  Give them the choice, don't take a potential once in a lifetime experience away from them without consultation. 

The players are as much a victim of this selfish decision as the fans.

 

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8 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

And the infection rates in Japan compared with UK are?

Rising. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

But kind of irrelevant when you consider: 

a) Cases aren't important as long as deaths are low 

b) the welfare issues in the statement don't elude to fear of catching covid, it's more about the bio security and quarantine

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Just now, theswanmcr said:

Interesting… will the RLPA be timid and know where their pay check comes from (as NRLhope) or will they go guns blazing at the appalling lack of consultation? More fun to be had over the coming days!

My money is on a climb down, followed by a steady trickle of players withdrawing from the competition. The mentalities aren't all that different in reality.

 

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2 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

That doesn't answer the question. FYI the comparative rates are orders of magnitude different. Japan has locked down; we have thrown open the gates and shouted "stuff it". I can understand some people being just a bit circumspect about visiting the UK at present.

it doesnt matter what the different levels are like because the countries are very much at different stages... its obvious if you want to look at it along with vaccinations and hospitalisations.. but lets not derail and get John getting the delete option back out agian.. its a pointless argument as they are 2 extremely different situations and not only that but where we are today is irrelevant its where we are in 3 months when they actually land that is important.. and we are on track to be more than ok by all the modelling.

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3 hours ago, Honor James said:

Well done Schoey!  What a bunch of wimps they have turned out to be `down under'.

Well said, they've shown themselves to be a right bunch of Sheilas!

3 hours ago, Smudger06 said:

I'm cutting ties with the NRL, not watching it until the day comes they atone. Can't believe they've managed to drag the kiwis down as well. 

What's surprising about that considering that the game in NZ is financially dependent on the Aussies?

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2 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Today's announcement has probably revealed the existence of the RWC to many who wouldn't have known about it. 

Is this our opportunity, given the amount of emotion on here alone, to 1) sell more tickets to the home audience that are mostly incensed and want to support NH RL and stick a finger up to the NRL? 2) push this to a wider audience in the UK?

Could we capitalise on all this PR and sell a few more tickets?

Esp. as the general public may get behind an England team with a very good chance of winning it...
I suppose it depends on whether we can prove its still a legitimate product. To sponsors, the media, fans.

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1 minute ago, RP London said:

it doesnt matter what the different levels are like because the countries are very much at different stages... its obvious if you want to look at it along with vaccinations and hospitalisations.. but lets not derail and get John getting the delete option back out agian.. its a pointless argument as they are 2 extremely different situations and not only that but where we are today is irrelevant its where we are in 3 months when they actually land that is important.. and we are on track to be more than ok by all the modelling.

It may well be a pointless argument here on a forum but don't you think that these are exactly the sort of things that have been discussed before making this decision? Despite what some on here have suggested this wasn't a "back of a fag packet" decision.

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6 minutes ago, theswanmcr said:

Interesting… will the RLPA be timid and know where their pay check comes from (as NRLhope) or will they go guns blazing at the appalling lack of consultation? More fun to be had over the coming days!

Yeah i'm nervous that NRL spin doctors are in the ear of people at the RLPA and we'll end up with a lukewarm 'We're very disappointed.......but understand why the decision has been made' type statement. 

I'm praying it's more robust than that and almost leaves the ARLC with no choice but to reply. We can but hope. 

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36 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

It may well be a pointless argument here on a forum but don't you think that these are exactly the sort of things that have been discussed before making this decision? Despite what some on here have suggested this wasn't a "back of a fag packet" decision.

No I agree, it was very calculated....by the NRL. How can you state player welfare concerns without actually consulting the players, as we now know to be the case? It stinks of the NRL doing what it wants for its own self interests. 

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1 hour ago, Dunbar said:

I suspect that it will have very little effect but here is the submission I made to NRL.com feedback page today.

............................................................

I write to you today as a lifelong supporter of the great game of Rugby League.

While I may be based on the other side of the world in the UK, I have always felt a massive connection to the game in Australia, ever since I first saw the great Kangaroo team of 1986 progress unbeaten through England and France and I had the absolute pleasure of watching the likes of Sterling, Miles, Meninga and Kenny ply their wonderful skills in our club competition.  Fast forward 35 years and now I am subscriber of WatchNRL who very very rarely misses a single game of NRL.

I can honestly say that my passion for the sport of Rugby League in Australia is only surpassed by my love of international Rugby League; that unfortunately all too rare occasion when we get the chance see the best players from competitions from all over the world come together to test themselves.  Of course, the elite competition in which the international teams play is the World Cup.  The 2021 edition was set to be the biggest, most ambitious and potentially most impactful tournament our sport has ever seen.  A tournament that would have allowed Rugby League to reach audiences in both volume and reach that it has never seen before.

And then we hear the news today that the ARL and the NZRL have decided to forfeit attendance at the upcoming World Cup.  A decision that has been foreshadowed by noises coming out of the NRL about the impact that the competition will have on players and their preparation for the 2022 season.

I see that the reasons that have been given for this stand down is player welfare and player safety.  But what has become of player choice?  The choice that a player has to play in a competition that only comes around two or maybe three times in their lifetime if they are lucky.  Let us use Boyd Cordner as our example here.  He has had to step down from the game tragically early due to the ongoing effects of concussion.  Many years from now, when he reflects on his career, I am sure one of the highlights he will remember most fondly will be playing and scoring in a World Cup final and subsequently lifting the trophy.  A potential memory that the authorities have unilaterally taken away from a generation of players by deciding to withdraw them from the competition.

As I started with.  I have been a player and fan of our sport for 35 years and in that time I have seen Rugby League throw away many opportunities to showcase our great game.  But none like today.  While other sports move heaven and earth to allow elite players to play in elite competitions, our sport decides that it is all too hard.  Come the autumn of this year when I see the Premier League soccer grounds full of passionate fans or the Australian Rugby Union team playing in front of 80,000 fans at Twickenham, I will remember today as the day that our sport threw away yet another chance to show the world it is indeed the greatest game of all. 

It is the greatest sport and it deserves better than what it received today.  I am not even angry, I am beyond that, I am just deeply deeply saddened that the game has once again self destructed.

And to finish where I started.  I used to love the Australian Rugby League and I was a subscriber to WatchNRL.  No more.  I have watched my last game of NRL.

Just read your whole post/letter, it`s far bigger than my flippant response about tonight`s game, I just hope it lands on someone who is importants desk tomorrow. 

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3 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

It may well be a pointless argument here on a forum but don't you think that these are exactly the sort of things that have been discussed before making this decision? Despite what some on here have suggested this wasn't a "back of a fag packet" decision.

nope i really don't because if it had they know this argument doesn't wash because the experts are saying that we can have full stadiums, we can un bubble in September and come October things will be pretty much normal... 

There is no way this was discussed because they know they would look stupid while other sports teams are all for coming over...

there issue is solely about this 2 week problem.. this other stuff is guff and an excuse. its obvious to anyone 

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2 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

It may well be a pointless argument here on a forum but don't you think that these are exactly the sort of things that have been discussed before making this decision? Despite what some on here have suggested this wasn't a "back of a fag packet" decision.

The flimsy holes in the "player welfare" argument are there because this isn't about Player Welfare at all.

This is entirely about players quarantine time being part of their holiday time or NRL clubs' pre season - and that it would regardless be impacting on the latter.

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3 hours ago, Smudger06 said:

Brazil RL have offered to send a mens team as well as a womens team, nice 1 brazil. 

A nice gesture to be sure, but if you've seen their match against the heritage Filipinos which the latter won with ease you'll know that they'd be as far out of their depth as the Russians were in 2000 if not even more so.

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17 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

If the competition were to go ahead without either the Australian or NZ teams would decent crowds turn out to watch the games?

Or is there the danger of it becoming a half-hearted and embarrassing tournament?

This isn't an attempt at negativity, just reality in the face of a relentlessly anti-RL media.

Overwhelmingly Yes.

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3 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

RLWC2021 saying it plans to assign volunteer roles from next month. Doesn't sound like it's going to be postponed/binned off. At least, not yet. 

It’s got to be full steam ahead especially if the Aussie players revolt against the decision because they want to play.  Need to give a bit of space and time for a u-turn.

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21 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

If the competition were to go ahead without either the Australian or NZ teams would decent crowds turn out to watch the games?

Or is there the danger of it becoming a half-hearted and embarrassing tournament?

This isn't an attempt at negativity, just reality in the face of a relentlessly anti-RL media.

Probably why the media is getting behind this topic, to then crush a weaker tournament later.....

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10 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

A nice gesture to be sure, but if you've seen their match against the heritage Filipinos which the latter won with ease you'll know that they'd be as far out of their depth as the Russians were in 2000 if not even more so.

I saw it, I agree. 

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This isn't a post about COVID in general (so please don't take it that way mods) but more to point out just how ridiculous this could all end up looking for our antipodean friends. New cases today are 39,906 - which is over 4000 less than yesterday and 8000 less than the same day last week (for any Aussies reading that is important because we have peaks and troughs depending on what day of the week it is sometimes) - so whilst it's early, all the signs are we've 'peaked'. In the January peak, 3 months after recording 65k cases a day we were down to between 1500-2000 cases. Add to that the hugely severed links between cases and deaths in the UK, you can safely assume if this starts to follow a similar trend by 23rd Oct there will barely be any COVID in the UK. 

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this has soured my relationship and love of watching nrl - wont be watching a fraction of the matches i used to do or buying any nrl merch - good job we not relying on them to come over and help us out in a world war or something - cowardly losers and quitters the lot of em.

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did the bloke who invented the phrase "one hit wonder" invent anything else?

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5 hours ago, Damien said:

Its amazing how the likes of Townsville, Canberra, Newcastle and Gold Coast sustain NRL teams isnt it?

But what other sports are they up against a Man Utd or a Leeds United, Arsenal its a false argument even certain Non-League football teams in the UK get decent gates all their is down under is Rugby League, Union & Cricket. 

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