17 stone giant Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, nadera78 said: £10m of it was for the 'Funded By' programme which has put money into facilities and equipment for community clubs. Most if not all of that has already been spent. Right, so already I've discovered that the dramatic claim that rugby league will only get £25m from UK government if the world cup is hosted in 2021 and not anytime after, is in fact misinformation. £10m of the £25m has already been received from the government and has already been spent. So now I just need to find out whether the other £15m is conditional on the tournament being held in 2021 and not later. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Scubby said: To be fair Agbrigg does sound like a village in the Valleys And Belle Vue should be in France! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonrlfan Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 What makes people think they won't do the same in 2025 too? Going ahead without them is the best option. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotty Herbert Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, 17 stone giant said: Right, so already I've discovered that the dramatic claim that rugby league will only get £25m from UK government if the world cup is hosted in 2021 and not anytime after, is in fact misinformation. £10m of the £25m has already been received from the government and has already been spent. So now I just need to find out whether the other £15m is conditional on the tournament being held in 2021 and not later. And whether the £10m already received would have to be paid back if the tournament does not take place in 2021. None of us have sight of the contract (that I am aware of) so perhaps you would be prepared to understand why those of us who have to live with the UK government every day might believe their "northern powerhouse" plans are treated with suspicion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, londonrlfan said: That'd have made a good Confederations Cup. What happened to that idea? Scuppered by the NRL. Proceeds of that were meant to go to the IRL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: And Belle Vue should be in France! what have the French ever done wrong to you? see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hallucinating Goose Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: And Belle Vue should be in France! Why are you advocating a French invasion and annexation of West Yorkshire?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, Damien said: Scuppered by the NRL. Proceeds of that were meant to go to the IRL. Yep. We got the World 9s instead; the Australians did a sterling job with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rioman Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 2 hours ago, MrPosh said: I don't mean this as a dig, as I enjoy your posts and appreciate your views, but Makinson is 29 years old and won the Golden Boot as the best player in the world. I'm almost sure that the Golden Boot criteria changed and it was awarded to the person who made the most impression at international level. (obviously not going to be won by an Aussie anytime soon if that's the case) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonrlfan Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: Yep. We got the World 9s instead; the Australians did a sterling job with that... And probably won't happen again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Wiganer Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 35 minutes ago, londonrlfan said: What makes people think they won't do the same in 2025 too? Going ahead without them is the best option. And that is a massive question. Or, looking at it another way, why would anyone - individual, government or sponsor -invest money, time and effort in preparing for a World Cup if that is completely wasted because NRL go “nah”? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said: And that is a massive question. Or, looking at it another way, why would anyone - individual, government or sponsor -invest money, time and effort in preparing for a World Cup if that is completely wasted because NRL go “nah”? The annoying thing is France 2025 was shaping up to be an attractive proposition and the NRL have probably scuppered that too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Statement from European RL https://bit.ly/2V1MxOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Wiganer Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Davo5 said: Statement from European RL https://bit.ly/2V1MxOL Les mots justes. Edited July 29, 2021 by Exiled Wiganer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, 17 stone giant said: Right, so already I've discovered that the dramatic claim that rugby league will only get £25m from UK government if the world cup is hosted in 2021 and not anytime after, is in fact misinformation. £10m of the £25m has already been received from the government and has already been spent. So now I just need to find out whether the other £15m is conditional on the tournament being held in 2021 and not later. Highly likely that the remaining £15m or at least the vast majority has been spent as these types of events cost a fair few bob in upfront costs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, londonrlfan said: What makes people think they won't do the same in 2025 too? Going ahead without them is the best option. If you go ahead this time then they will turn up next time. If you back down to the bully then they will bully you again next time 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Exiled Wiganer said: And that is a massive question. Or, looking at it another way, why would anyone - individual, government or sponsor -invest money, time and effort in preparing for a World Cup if that is completely wasted because NRL go “nah”? Indeed. This is one of the slight risks with this public spat strategy. We could probably have kept it quiet and all blamed covid together publicly and it would have been damage limitation. If this now gets delayed, we have shown that we are a real mickey mouse sport with a world cup nobody values and why on earth would those people invest in future. We have actually had great planning and serious investment for once, we can't blow this. We are at risk of undoing any efforts of 2008, 2013 and the limited success of 2017 with this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, LeeF said: If you go ahead this time then they will turn up next time. If you back down to the bully then they will bully you again next time And you lose the faith of any partners or sponsors you may have right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dave T said: And you lose the faith of any partners or sponsors you may have right now. Yep, I bought a bloody mug! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, Scubby said: Yep, I bought a bloody mug! You are a mug then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 stone giant Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, LeeF said: If you go ahead this time then they will turn up next time. If you back down to the bully then they will bully you again next time Why do you think these so called bullies turned up in the past (e.g. when there wasn't Covid)? I've been watching rugby league since 1990 and I've seen the Aussies and New Zealanders come here many times. For example, off the top of my head the Aussies were here in 1990, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2013, 2016. Bit hazy about the rest, but I'm sure I've missed some years. So when and why did they decide to become bullies? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 When the defections came, I was hopeful the WC would proceed without them and the game would prove it is bigger than any of its parts. The holding off an announcement could be due diligence but also an admission they are dependent on certain nations being there. If the tournament ends up being a break even affair rather than a profit maker, then surely press on. Only a loss making WC is to be cancelled. If the WC is cancelled, it will prove the game is dependent on one of its parts to do anything. 3 My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 17 stone giant said: Why do you think these so called bullies turned up in the past (e.g. when there wasn't Covid)? I've been watching rugby league since 1990 and I've seen the Aussies and New Zealanders come here many times. For example, off the top of my head the Aussies were here in 1990, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2013, 2016. Bit hazy about the rest, but I'm sure I've missed some years. So when and why did they decide to become bullies? Threatened players strike before 2017 WC Tried everything to block Eng v NZ test in Denver (citing player safety) Went back on agreed IRL Confederation Cup plan Pulled out of plans to play GB in 2019 Axed mid season international window Pulled out of 2021 WC (citing player safety) Not bad since you last saw them in 2016. Edited July 29, 2021 by Scubby 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksy Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Scubby said: Threatened players strike before 2017 WC Tried everything to block Eng v NZ test in Denver (citing player safety) Went back on agreed IRL Confederation Cup plan Pulled out of plans to play GB in 2019 Axed mid season international window Pulled out of 2021 WC (citing player safety) Not bad since you last saw them in 2016. You forgot the refereeing. Rugby Union the only game in the world were the spectators handle the ball more than the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whippet13 Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Scubby said: Threatened players strike before 2017 WC Tried everything to block Eng v NZ test in Denver (citing player safety) Went back on agreed IRL Confederation Cup plan Pulled out of plans to play GB in 2019 Axed mid season international window Pulled out of 2021 WC (citing player safety) Not bad since you last saw them in 2016. Axed the Anzac test, last played in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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