GeordieSaint Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Turns out ... it’s more than 4 who are about to be culled Oh FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haskey Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Gulls which are a nuisance bird should be culled NOT RL clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerrumonside ref Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 So Matthew Shaw is reporting a Super League of 2 divisions of ten (presumably not conferences)? Guess that means funding only for those 20, with a big drop off from the first 10 to the other 10. Do the rest try and join the amateur setup, bet the house on a place, merge with neighbours? Grim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiganermike Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Judging by that Matthew Shaw article under the proposal it discusses the clubs outside the top 20 will not be culled so much as being formed into a 16 club league one that will have significantly less funding allocated than the division above it. If that proposed format is adopted there will be an almighty scramble for 6th place in the Championship in 2022. Unfortunately we will probably see financial collapse by the clubs that just miss out after they have spent lots in an effort to make the top 6. The new competitions hinted at previously presumably would be a way of topping up the 9 home games in each division rather than having loop fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 All 3 Cumbria clubs potentially gone under that plan. So much for caring about the game in the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerrumonside ref Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, wiganermike said: Judging by that Matthew Shaw article under the proposal it discusses the clubs outside the top 20 will not be culled so much as being formed into a 16 club league one that will have significantly less funding allocated than the division above it. If that proposed format is adopted there will be an almighty scramble for 6th place in the Championship in 2022. Unfortunately we will probably see financial collapse by the clubs that just miss out after they have spent lots in an effort to make the top 6. The new competitions hinted at previously presumably would be a way of topping up the 9 home games in each division rather than having loop fixtures. Thanks, I hadn’t read that extra detail about the 16 club league one. Guess once you’re in there you’re really treading water. I share your concern that clubs will overreach in the scramble to make the top 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiganermike Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said: So Matthew Shaw is reporting a Super League of 2 divisions of ten (presumably not conferences)? Guess that means funding only for those 20, with a big drop off from the first 10 to the other 10. Do the rest try and join the amateur setup, bet the house on a place, merge with neighbours? Grim. He does seem to suggest two divisions as he mentions P&R between them. It seems an odd way to go about it to expand by 2 only to immediately relegate 4. Equal conferences would allow cross conference games to add more home games without repeat fixtures but it seems unlikely it would be anything other than a two tiered divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 People need to stop coming out with nonsense like xxxxx are attractive to TV companies. They said it about London, they said it about Salford, neither true. What TV companies want are strong buoyant teams playing good rugby putting on a good show for the cameras in modern facilities with good crowds. That's what makes good TV. Do we really think Warrington, Wigan and St Helens are important towns for TV? Are they hell, but they do well for the TV companies and they get covered plenty. Really strong clubs is the most important point, that's what partners want. The name York really isn't a draw in sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, NW10LDN said: All 3 Cumbria clubs potentially gone under that plan. So much for caring about the game in the North. Not gone, but with little or no central funding in a 16 team league 1 below the 2 tier super league as I understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, wiganermike said: He does seem to suggest two divisions as he mentions P&R between them. It seems an odd way to go about it to expand by 2 only to immediately relegate 4. Equal conferences would allow cross conference games to add more home games without repeat fixtures but it seems unlikely it would be anything other than a two tiered divisions. As I read it, they'll relegate 6 with 2 replaced by promoted teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Just now, Barley Mow said: Not gone, but with little or no central funding in a 16 team league 1 below the 2 tier super league as I understand it. Almost the same thing. A lot of 16 clubs will pack it in and return to the community game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Well. That's it. It's a fait accompli. All decided and confirmed. Nailed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 38 minutes ago, Spidey said: That makes truly depressing reading. There is a complete failure to acknowledge the problems the sport faces. Let's just make the pot smaller and divide it less ways and come up with a boring, repetitive league structure. If we call it Super League 1 and 2 then maybe no one will notice. I really can't see how this makes the game more attractive to fans, viewers, broadcasters or commercial partners. If anything I think it's the complete opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Just now, NW10LDN said: Almost the same thing. A lot of 16 clubs will pack it in and return to the community game. Return? Most have only existed as pro clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Damien said: That makes truly depressing reading. There is a complete failure to acknowledge the problems the sport faces. Let's just make the pot smaller and divide it less ways and come up with a boring, repetitive league structure. If we call it Super League 1 and 2 then maybe no one will notice. I really can't see how this makes the game more attractive to fans, viewers, broadcasters or commercial partners. If anything I think it's the complete opposite. Spot on. It spreads the finite financial resource further, with absolutely no guarantee of increasing any revenue streams from a "SL2" TV contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, NW10LDN said: Almost the same thing. A lot of 16 clubs will pack it in and return to the community game. I'll reserve judgement for the time being, but think many of the existing league 1 clubs may well be more resilient to such a change than current championship clubs who just miss out on a SL2 place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Did anyone mention Bradford's pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: Spot on. It spreads the finite financial resource further, with absolutely no guarantee of increasing any revenue streams from a "SL2" TV contract. Absolutely, it's crazy. It's like no one learned from the middle 8s and wasting money by going for a full time 2nd tier that no one was interested in really paying for. Outside football 2nd tier sport will never attract TV deals to make full time competitions worthwhile. Put the money into making the top tier as attractive as you can to appeal to broadcasters. That is what Sky are paying for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Scubby said: Did anyone mention Bradford's pitch? Oh stop being a mug... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Is this a case of self interest taking over again? Less Sky money so divide it by less clubs. Reducing the amount of clubs just retracts the game's footprint and loses fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Damien said: Absolutely, it's crazy. It's like no one learned from the middle 8s and wasting money by going for a full time 2nd tier that no one was interested in really paying for. Outside football 2nd tier sport will never attract TV deals to make full time competitions worthwhile. Put the money into making the top tier as attractive as you can to appeal to broadcasters. That is what Sky are paying for. Leadership, leadership, leadership. We have a thread on that and Rimmer. The sport in England/NH needs to make some hard choices. Not reinventing the same wheel expecting different results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiganermike Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Barley Mow said: As I read it, they'll relegate 6 with 2 replaced by promoted teams. No, as described in the article this year has no relegation from SL and 2 up from Championship. Next year 14 team SL with the bottom 4 relegated into a division with the top 6 from the Championship. So in 2022 no-one is promoted from Championship but the top 6 remain in the second tier with the rest below them relegated into the 16 team League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Damien said: That makes truly depressing reading. There is a complete failure to acknowledge the problems the sport faces. Let's just make the pot smaller and divide it less ways and come up with a boring, repetitive league structure. If we call it Super League 1 and 2 then maybe no one will notice. I really can't see how this makes the game more attractive to fans, viewers, broadcasters or commercial partners. If anything I think it's the complete opposite. I say again. We are a rudderless ship and have been for some time. Not offering any Support to Toronto which in my opinion could have opened up the possibility and note i say possibility of getting a foothold in the most lucrative sports market in the world and the decision to replace them with Leigh. Lets not forget the waste of space Robert Elstone who come up with the idea of replacing Toronto with Leigh and how many millions did he cost the game and lets not forget the idea who wanted to prostitute the game to a private equity firm. The decision to ask the Catalans to pay a bond to enter the Challenge cup when they were the holders. Who came up with that idea. I also thought not letting Manchester Rangers enter league 1 was another own goal.I can go on but i need to lay down in a darken room and calm down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: Leadership, leadership, leadership. We have a thread on that and Rimmer. The sport in England/NH needs to make some hard choices. Not reinventing the same wheel expecting different results. So, are they going to have 20 full-time clubs, each with their own elite academy, development pathways, community development teams, commitment to and funding for increasing their fanbase etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, JM2010 said: So, are they going to have 20 full-time clubs, each with their own elite academy, development pathways, community development teams, commitment to and funding for increasing their fanbase etc? That's not what the article says. Still refers to part time clubs in "SL2". Fundamental issue right there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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