DimmestStar Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, graveyard johnny said: its supposed to be offensive- thats what opposing fans do to each other- nobody dies Exactly it's supposed to be offensive, That's my point. Being offended by anti Polish comments is no better no worse than being offended by anti Hull comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, DimmestStar said: Exactly it's supposed to be offensive, That's my point. Being offended by anti Polish comments is no better no worse than being offended by anti Hull comments. so true- we can all stay in our bedrooms crying in to our pillows been offended by this and hurt by that or we can choose to get on with it- would anyone these days go see a comedian like jimmy carr , paul smith or frankie boyle if being offensive was so upsetting? see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said: so true- we can all stay in our bedrooms crying in to our pillows been offended by this and hurt by that or we can choose to get on with it- would anyone these days go see a comedian like jimmy carr , paul smith or frankie boyle if being offensive was so upsetting? But if you go to see them you know what you’ll be getting, it’s your choice, why should a promising young man like Oledski be called a racist epithet at a sporting contest? What has it got to do with his ability on the field? If they’d called him a “big useless lump” it would have been very obviously incorrect but not nearly as offensive, can you genuinely not see that? "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 35 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said: so true- we can all stay in our bedrooms crying in to our pillows been offended by this and hurt by that or we can choose to get on with it- would anyone these days go see a comedian like jimmy carr , paul smith or frankie boyle if being offensive was so upsetting? Have you watched the video of Oledzki explaining what happened? He stated that he expects to get some stick from the opposing fans but the language used against him was discriminatory and abusive. And used while there were children and families in the stands. It takes a special kind of person to defend the abuser in these situations. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, Phil said: But if you go to see them you know what you’ll be getting, it’s your choice, why should a promising young man like Oledski be called a racist epithet at a sporting contest? What has it got to do with his ability on the field? If they’d called him a “big useless lump” it would have been very obviously incorrect but not nearly as offensive, can you genuinely not see that? yes mate - i can see that - i dont see how been called french polish english scottish or south african is racist though or been attached to a mad religion is a race as well see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Dunbar said: Have you watched the video of Oledzki explaining what happened? He stated that he expects to get some stick from the opposing fans but the language used against him was discriminatory and abusive. And used while there were children and families in the stands. It takes a special kind of person to defend the abuser in these situations. children and families hearing bad language at a rugby match - whats it coming to? I think i will faint with the shock of it - in the hundreds of matches i have attended over the decades it has been nothing but polite pleasantries and good wishes for the opposition in gamesmanship like manner - get a grip see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said: children and families hearing bad language at a rugby match - whats it coming to? I think i will faint with the shock of it - in the hundreds of matches i have attended over the decades it has been nothing but polite pleasantries and good wishes for the opposition in gamesmanship like manner - get a grip We have different expectations of behaviour. I'm OK with that. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 go round city centre pubs before between and after psychobilly gigs dressed in the gear with the hair etc - get the looks- get the comments - get the deck head wanting a pop at you after a few shandys- bother me? not in the slightest - its there problem - i rise above it see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimmestStar Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Have you watched the video of Oledzki explaining what happened? He stated that he expects to get some stick from the opposing fans but the language used against him was discriminatory and abusive. And used while there were children and families in the stands. It takes a special kind of person to defend the abuser in these situations. Agree and very much what Hull & Hull KR fans have endured and expected to tolerate for years and years from Leeds fans....for nothing more than being from Hull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dunbar said: We have different expectations of behaviour. I'm OK with that. so am i - have never abused a player in my life - but someone ten yards away will be doing - it goes without saying that for some people - venting their spleen in their normal position in the stand is their mortal right in their eyes - its what it is- if i was a player i would just block it out see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE RED ROOSTER Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Oledski born in Gdansz is Polish by birth and heritage so presumably the remark was aimed at that. Both Brits and Australians are still predominately anglo-celtic in origin though given some of what passes for "banter" between both groups you might wonder if this is classed as "acceptable" some do not think so https://phildrane.com/blogs/phil-s-blogs/posts/pom-and-pommie-an-english-australasian-immigrant-s-view https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/poms-you-whinge-some-you-lose-some/2TELXUPGUFMFDERPUCYHUGXMQQ/ Quote When the pinch comes the common people will turn out to be more intelligent than the clever ones. I certainly hope so. George Orwell You either own NFTs or women’s phone numbers but not both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Robertson Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 02/08/2021 at 23:22, lucky 7 said: Intimidation because of my size How big are you? Serious question, what size do people (typically) need to be to intimidate others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share Posted August 4, 2021 Those idiots will be cheering him voraciously if he is playing in the World Cup for England. Which proves once again that whilst you can't legislate for stupidity you have to punish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iffleyox Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 12 hours ago, Padge said: Many moons ago at Hilton Park Henderson Gill had scored a try and while standing in position waiting for Leigh to kick off a Leigh fan shouted f&£$ 0$$ Gilly you black b@$t@rd, Henderson turned around and laughed at the crowd and pointed to Des Drummond and gave the retort "he's blacker than me". Having not been there (and also not being Gill so can't know what was in his head) but I do have a 50+ year old black relative, that's either all fine and let's have a laugh together or it's shades of Charlie Williams dealing with hecklers. Frankly these days it would be cringeworthy both that someone should shout that, and secondly that they would get that response. The 50 year old black relative is relevant because he once told me he was f'ing tired of having to do that to survive in the workplace. But most people wouldn't know that because he dressed it up as having a sense of humour and not minding too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Just now, iffleyox said: The 50 year old black relative is relevant because he once told me he was f'ing tired of having to do that to survive in the workplace. But most people wouldn't know that because he dressed it up as having a sense of humour and not minding too much. If you watch the video that Michael Holding and Ebony Rainford-Brent did for Sky last year, Ebony makes the exact same point. The humour is a tiring, and tiresome, defence mechanism to cover the fact that it hurts. There's nothing to celebrate in it. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iffleyox Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, gingerjon said: If you watch the video that Michael Holding and Ebony Rainford-Brent did for Sky last year, Ebony makes the exact same point. The humour is a tiring, and tiresome, defence mechanism to cover the fact that it hurts. There's nothing to celebrate in it. Absolutely. Incidentally, if you want to see something truly mindblowing in a 'it couldn't happen now thank God' way if you look on youtube there's footage of Charlie Williams (I'm a bit of a fan) playing live to a white audience in 1970s Rhodesia... Real 'watch through your fingers' stuff as he has to tell about 20 cracks against himself just to break the ice. And presumably (because they were there) they were the 'liberals' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 11 hours ago, graveyard johnny said: go round city centre pubs before between and after psychobilly gigs dressed in the gear with the hair etc - get the looks- get the comments - get the deck head wanting a pop at you after a few shandys- bother me? not in the slightest - its there problem - i rise above it Some or the contributions on this thread remind me of a group that bully some poor fella at work every day until he leaves (or worse) and just laugh it off by saying it was all done in fun. There is an amazing lack of empathy for what it must be like to be on the recieving end of some of this 'banter'. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Anyone comparing this to fans being called names for being from Hull etc are just way off the mark. The difference is Leeds fans, or whichever fans are calling you names, don’t genuinely hate you and think you shouldn’t exist in this country. You don’t get made to feel like you don’t belong or that you’re some second tier of citizen because of your skin colour or name on a regular basis in your daily life. I have family who have to put up with this ###### and it can happen at any time. It’s downright painful to know people feel that way about you, despite knowing nothing about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alffi 7 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 On 03/08/2021 at 08:44, Dave T said: So what have the club done about their Head Coach using the word m*ng live on National TV, something that attracted plenty of public condemnation and reflected badly on the club? I believe there was an immediate apology by Price in the subsequent press review and a statement released by the club with a further apology and ‘that it would be handled internally’. I certainly agree in that instance the club could have gone further, but I was pleased with their response on the Hicks incident, my hope - and reason for the post - is they follow that route rather than the Price one. But it would require other parties to agree of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 28 minutes ago, Alffi 7 said: I believe there was an immediate apology by Price in the subsequent press review and a statement released by the club with a further apology and ‘that it would be handled internally’. I certainly agree in that instance the club could have gone further, but I was pleased with their response on the Hicks incident, my hope - and reason for the post - is they follow that route rather than the Price one. But it would require other parties to agree of course. The club absolutely could have gone further on the Price thing. They released a quick, minimal release - they claimed Price had apologised - but who to? Haven't seen anything from Price. I challenged this at the time and was told to give him time. Is there a fine, or a ban? If not, why not? Because from what I see, the club hasn't taken that seriously at all. As a club we are at risk of having a damaged reputation again imho. Trouble in Catalans a couple of years ago, trouble with the ref, our leader using language like he did on Sky, and now an allegation of racism from a fan. But in the meantime we released a black BLM shirt - but didn't really give a strong message on the kneeling point. I defended the club on claims of virtue signalling - but I'm afraid that's where I feel we are at the moment. We don't seem to be too committed to creating a great culture - Fitzpatrick, time to step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 1 hour ago, The One said: Anyone comparing this to fans being called names for being from Hull etc are just way off the mark. The difference is Leeds fans, or whichever fans are calling you names, don’t genuinely hate you and think you shouldn’t exist in this country. You don’t get made to feel like you don’t belong or that you’re some second tier of citizen because of your skin colour or name on a regular basis in your daily life. I have family who have to put up with this ###### and it can happen at any time. It’s downright painful to know people feel that way about you, despite knowing nothing about you. People know this. For some reason they want to play down racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hela Wigmen Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 20 minutes ago, Dave T said: People know this. For some reason they want to play down racism. It’s quite sad that this is the third or fourth similar incident this year and the same people are debating the wording and it’s offensiveness each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alffi 7 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Dave T said: The club absolutely could have gone further on the Price thing. They released a quick, minimal release - they claimed Price had apologised - but who to? Haven't seen anything from Price. I challenged this at the time and was told to give him time. Is there a fine, or a ban? If not, why not? Because from what I see, the club hasn't taken that seriously at all. As a club we are at risk of having a damaged reputation again imho. Trouble in Catalans a couple of years ago, trouble with the ref, our leader using language like he did on Sky, and now an allegation of racism from a fan. But in the meantime we released a black BLM shirt - but didn't really give a strong message on the kneeling point. I defended the club on claims of virtue signalling - but I'm afraid that's where I feel we are at the moment. We don't seem to be too committed to creating a great culture - Fitzpatrick, time to step up. Seems like the investigation was carried out at an RFL level rather than club level - maybe that's why we didn't hear too much from Warrington at first. https://www.rugby-league.com/article/35810/tribunal-decision-steve-price- The club still could have (and still might I suppose given the investigation has only just concluded) done more at the time, or even just made it a little clearer that there would be an RFL investigation - it wasn't mentioned in their brief press release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Alffi 7 said: Seems like the investigation was carried out at an RFL level rather than club level - maybe that's why we didn't hear too much from Warrington at first. https://www.rugby-league.com/article/35810/tribunal-decision-steve-price- The club still could have (and still might I suppose given the investigation has only just concluded) done more at the time, or even just made it a little clearer that there would be an RFL investigation - it wasn't mentioned in their brief press release. Thanks, ultimately we won't know, as the club said they will not discuss this further and it will be dealt with internally, which is entirely the wrong approach for a public issue. You don't get to just say 'nothing to see here, we've dealt with it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Badrinath Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dave T said: Thanks, ultimately we won't know, as the club said they will not discuss this further and it will be dealt with internally, which is entirely the wrong approach for a public issue. You don't get to just say 'nothing to see here, we've dealt with it'. Funnily enough, someone today has posted something on one of our fb groups, saying he's got a suspended fine, I cant see it on any official channels though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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