Fri 20 Aug: SL: Wigan Warriors v St Helens KO 19:45 (TV)

[Dunbar]

Dodd speaks well too.  A good sign that he seems a smart lad with his head screwed on.

[dkw]

2 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

 Hated seeing Saints going for 2 with  a man up,  get to union with that.  

Every team at every level will take 2 at 12 points up.

[Davo5]

Time for a clear out,starting with Lam & Radlinski.

Really feel for some of Wigan’s young forwards,they knocked their pans in last year getting us so close to a Grand Final win only to be let down by an abysmal lack of quality recruitment that has seen them having to try & do it all again and failing.

[EastLondonMike]

Only caught the 2nd half, but Wigan looked terrible. And not for the first time. Absolutely nothing in attack.

If you were an incoming coach at Wigan, how many of these players would you keep? Outside a few of the young players I think I could count on one hand the amount that I would want.

[Just Browny]

Not being funny, has Scully's voice gone up a few octaves? Used to be proper deep.

[RigbyLuger]

Isa was a disgrace. Why did Lam keep him on? That late hit deserves a massive ban. Needs irradicating from the game.

[dkw]

2 questions from that game.

1. How old is Willie Isa.

2. How old will Willie Isa be when his bans are over.

[JohnM]

We need to respect the ref and his decisions, too.  Whatever injustice our players feel, real or imaginary, all dissent will result in penalties or worse 

[DavidM]

2 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:

Isa was a disgrace. Why did Lam keep him on? That late hit deserves a massive ban. Needs irradicating from the game.

That hit or Willie Isa?

[JohnM]

7 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Time for a clear out,starting with Lam & Radlinski.

Really feel for some of Wigan’s young forwards,they knocked their pans in last year getting us so close to a Grand Final win only to be let down by an abysmal lack of quality recruitment that has seen them having to try & do it all again and failing.

Are they solely responsible for recruitment, though? I wonder how much Lenagan is involved.

[Davo5]

Lam,saying we’ll be alright when we get Powell,Singleton & Field back is the most worrying thing I’ve seen tonight.

[dkw]

1 minute ago, ShropshireBull said:

A man up when you were cruising? 

Yes.

[GeordieSaint]

3 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:

Isa was a disgrace. Why did Lam keep him on? That late hit deserves a massive ban. Needs irradicating from the game.

Good to see the pundits highlighting this. 

That attack on Welsby is awful. He’ll be lucky to be seen again this year.

[Chris22]

8 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Time for a clear out,starting with Lam & Radlinski.

Really feel for some of Wigan’s young forwards,they knocked their pans in last year getting us so close to a Grand Final win only to be let down by an abysmal lack of quality recruitment that has seen them having to try & do it all again and failing.

Agreed. The likes of Havard and Smithies are good players but are expected to lead the pack.

The equivalent player at Saints, Matty Lees, doesn't have that responsibility.

And questions must be asked of how inexperienced Wigan have allowed their pack to become.

[DavidM]

I think Wigan could still be running around now and not score 

[Old Frightful]

I wonder if Tom Johnstone watched this game and thought..."I can't understand this...Willie Isa's not that sort of player"...

[Scubby]

Lam doesn't look like he has any answers. Recruitment is awful and attack is blunt.

[dkw]

6 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Fair enough.  Guess thats the non heartland fan in me.  My team would be hitting that in the corner and we'd probably turn it over on the second.  

No more to add tonight.  Hope Isa gets done and Wigan rebuild for next year. That game on Wednesday will be a sad sight I feel. 

Going from 12 behind to 14 behind (or even 13) has a huge impact on a team psychologically.

[GeordieSaint]

3 minutes ago, dkw said:

Going from 12 behind to 14 behind (or even 13) has a huge impact on a team psychologically.

Agreed. I’d always be going for 2 in that situation. The one a bit more baffling was Wigan gong for 2… hadn’t spent any time in the Saints 20 at that stage. 

[Hughsehhh]

37 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

When did hardakers hair grow back?

I was thinking does Scully dye his hair, he looks better now than 20 years ago. 

Maybe we can continue this convo in off topic or down the salon

[DoubleD]

17 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

Good to see the pundits highlighting this. 

That attack on Welsby is awful. He’ll be lucky to be seen again this year.

Phil Clarke indicated he might get 2-5 games. For me, I’d suggest he should be looking at 8 games minimum. The Welsby attack was arguably worst but the shove on Grace who could’ve been concussed was callous and the attack of Percival in the air was at best clumsy, at worst vicious. Then he had at least 2 more head high shots

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Chris22 said:

Agreed. The likes of Havard and Smithies are good players but are expected to lead the pack.

The equivalent player at Saints, Matty Lees, doesn't have that responsibility.

And questions must be asked of how inexperienced Wigan have allowed their pack to become.

We do have Clubb and Clarke but Lam would rather burn the younger players out. 

[Jinking Jimmy]

42 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Time for a clear out,starting with Lam & Radlinski.

Really feel for some of Wigan’s young forwards,they knocked their pans in last year getting us so close to a Grand Final win only to be let down by an abysmal lack of quality recruitment that has seen them having to try & do it all again and failing.

In my opinion Wigan should replace Lam immediately with O’Loughlin and Leuluai for the remainder of the season. It doesn’t make sense to carry on like this and although there aren’t many games left it might just kick-start an improvement.

[Davo5]

6 minutes ago, 7723 said:

We do have Clubb and Clarke but Lam would rather burn the younger players out. 

Neither would get into a top 4 championship team 

[johnh1]

Isa should get a 10 game ban minimum - (5 x 2). I expect he will get only 2. This is the real test of the disciplinary committee. Please don’t bottle it.