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Fri 20 Aug: SL: Wigan Warriors v St Helens KO 19:45 (TV)


Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

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8 hours ago, JohnM said:

The Whichfinders are all out tonight in force farce tonight, the forum's "burn him" gang. 😀😀

What do whichfinders do, are they rugby leagues version of witchfinders. 

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9 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

I'd forgotten about the hit on grace.  Bin this lad for the season.

You some sort of liberal do gooder, letting him off like that?😃😃😃.

Burn him! Burn him!..then bin him  for the season,then next season, then for all eternity.

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8 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

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Blackpool sands were nice, and one of the piers  I understand its meant to be cheap and cheerful however we just observed that many seemed to be of their heads and there were many drug addicts about.

Not a nice thing for children to see.

Blackpool is cheap but it certainly isn't cheerful and hasn't been for a very long time, one of the most economically deprived towns in the UK. Next time you do a northern tour ask for some advice, we have loads of beautiful places and great people as well as the opposite. Try sitting or standing with the peasants rather than the "posh" people at a few games, generally a far more entertaining and atmospheric experience.

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10 hours ago, EagleEyePie said:

That was really frustrating to watch from a Wigan point of view. Not because we lost, which was expected, not because we struggling to score points, which was also expected, but because it highlighted just how much our experienced players let down the youngsters.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Joe Shorrocks is the most underrated player in Super League. He was one of the few Wigan players to have a good game tonight. His defensive effort was absolutely outstanding. There were sets when he looked like being involved in every tackle and he was making crucial tackles too. But that's the sort of battling performance you expect from senior players in a derby. That's the performance you'd expect from someone like Bateman. But instead our senior players were too busy getting sin binned for the dumbest of reasons.

Wigan didn't really stand much of a chance. That fact the ages of our starting pack were 20, 21, 22, 20, 31 and 20 says it all about how much we're relying on the youngsters. None of those players should actually be in their prime based on their age, although Farrell still is. One of the reasons we had such a young starting line up is because one of our most experience props, Singleton, was still serving a ban for an act of utter stupidity that got him a 3 match suspension, not long having returned from a 2 match suspension for an act of utter stupidity. Meanwhile our most senior prop, Clubb, was dropped because he was horrendous against Hull KR because he's been kept at the club for too long.

Senior players like Bateman, Leuluai and Powell have all had really poor seasons so far, leaving the young forwards to carry all the responsibility.

Lam hasn't helped things by keeping Bullock out of the side despite him being one of our better props. So the youngsters keep getting flogged while Lam makes some sort of statement to Bullock and Clark.

There were some crazy calls in that game - particularly the decision for Wigan to go for 2 while 6 points down. Not long after Saints score. Bizarre to say the least.

And of course, there's Willie Isa. Not satisfied by being a complete idiot in the last game against Saints he decides to try to go further. It's not even heat of the moment stuff, it's downright stupid stuff. He's consistently a liability in big games but for some reason Lam thinks the world of him. He's a player who isn't good enough in his preferred position, has done okay filling in at centre and yet is somehow deemed indispensable by club and coach despite the very obvious flaws and the utter stupidity that he comes out with on the pitch. But expect Radlinski to tie him up to a new 3 year deal because he's a really nice guy off the field.

Absolutely bang on.

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1 hour ago, Whippet13 said:

Blackpool is cheap but it certainly isn't cheerful and hasn't been for a very long time, one of the most economically deprived towns in the UK. Next time you do a northern tour ask for some advice, we have loads of beautiful places and great people as well as the opposite. Try sitting or standing with the peasants rather than the "posh" people at a few games, generally a far more entertaining and atmospheric experience.

Hi Whippet,

I usually do 50/50 if on my own have stood behind the goals many times and enjoyed the banter, South Stand at Leeds the lot:)

T/Penny at Hull behind the sticks at Castleford (Old Salford) Saints you name it I have been there 🙂

 

My wife has a You Tube channel in Russian and insisted we went to Blackpool LOL:)

Paul

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What Wigan appear to need is a complete clear out at the top starting with Lenegan, I'm afraid. As the person where, at least theoretically, the buck stops at his door the fact that Lam and Radlinski are still in a job is peculiar to say the least. How you get rid of the owner is beyond me though.

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10 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

My wife has a You Tube channel in Russian and insisted we went to Blackpool LOL:)

I suppose showing them Blackpool is one way of reassuring people in Russia how great their life is.

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8 minutes ago, Chronicler of Chiswick said:

What Wigan appear to need is a complete clear out at the top starting with Lenegan, I'm afraid. As the person where, at least theoretically, the buck stops at his door the fact that Lam and Radlinski are still in a job is peculiar to say the least. How you get rid of the owner is beyond me though.

I am clearly happy we won last night. However, I think this is an important post. Despite the rivalry, the sport needs a strong Wigan; just as it needs a strong Leeds. It appears Wigan are being very poorly run from the top. Yep, they are bringing through good talent but that talent needs to be supported by highly experienced, top quality professionals. Less Farrell and Bateman, it’s not there in this Wigan team. The buck stops with Lam, Radlinksi and Lenaghan.

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13 minutes ago, Chronicler of Chiswick said:

What Wigan appear to need is a complete clear out at the top starting with Lenegan, I'm afraid. As the person where, at least theoretically, the buck stops at his door the fact that Lam and Radlinski are still in a job is peculiar to say the least. How you get rid of the owner is beyond me though.

How you get rid of the owner is beyond me though.

Easy. Just get a Wigan Euromillions lottery winner to buy him out. 🖒

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The way this year is going, Wigan could be awful every week going forward but scrape sixth, then have two freak performances that send them to Old Trafford. I won’t be writing them off too quickly. We live in weird times.

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1 hour ago, Davo5 said:

Absolutely bang on.

Quite a decent summary 

As an outsider looking in most Wigan fans have the problem identified 

However in shorrocks, Byrne, Partington and Havard there are some good young forwards for 3 or 4 years down the line. 

Playing Shorricks at 9 is just lam wanting another forward on the field and I for one was never sure who was at the dummy half or what the game plan was. 

Young Harry Smith seems to be edged out of position by Jackson Hastings and the experience of two or three angry (controlled aggression) was sadly lacking.. 

I personally have never been a huge John Bateman fan and here he is no doubt on a big salary repeatedly failing to deliver. 

I do agree that it's a coaching and motivation issue however, but with o loughlin and matty peet in the coaching mix should there be such poor decisions 

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Agree that Isa was a absolute liability and should have been sent off but for me the most amazing thing was that Lam kept him on the field when he had obviously completely 'lost it'. Result was the sin binning which anyone watching could see was coming. But apparently not Lam.

Also I think Leeds must be wondering whether they have made the right call by signing Bentley. If everyone wasn't talking about Isa I imagine that Bentley's lack of composure, number of penalties conceded would be a major talking point.

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25 minutes ago, bromleybulldog said:

Agree that Isa was a absolute liability and should have been sent off but for me the most amazing thing was that Lam kept him on the field when he had obviously completely 'lost it'. Result was the sin binning which anyone watching could see was coming. But apparently not Lam.

Also I think Leeds must be wondering whether they have made the right call by signing Bentley. If everyone wasn't talking about Isa I imagine that Bentley's lack of composure, number of penalties conceded would be a major talking point.

What I can see of Bentley is that he is useful in a pack that is winning. 

 

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46 minutes ago, bromleybulldog said:

Agree that Isa was a absolute liability and should have been sent off but for me the most amazing thing was that Lam kept him on the field when he had obviously completely 'lost it'. Result was the sin binning which anyone watching could see was coming. But apparently not Lam.

Also I think Leeds must be wondering whether they have made the right call by signing Bentley. If everyone wasn't talking about Isa I imagine that Bentley's lack of composure, number of penalties conceded would be a major talking point.

I think once he gets to Leeds, with a bit better coaching and leadership Bentley will be fine. Curbing aggression in a player is better than that player not having it in the first place. In the emerging Leeds pack Oledzki, Gannon and probably Holroyd are all likely to be stars but none have that bit of grub about them which would add to the balance of the team.

You can definitely afford one of them in your squad as long as they can at least try to reign it in. Bentley these past two weeks has been over the edge in trying to re-establish himself but I think Agar will be able to deal with that effectively enough.

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3 minutes ago, M j M said:

I think once he gets to Leeds, with a bit better coaching and leadership Bentley will be fine.

At Leeds, really? You think the Leeds coaches are better than the ones he's played for so far?

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2 hours ago, JohnM said:

How you get rid of the owner is beyond me though.

Easy. Just get a Wigan Euromillions lottery winner to buy him out. 🖒

Interesting this though.  What is someone actually getting when they “buy Wigan” off Lenaghan?  Players, kit, the IPR…..but no ground?  Can’t be actually worth that much surely?

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31 minutes ago, Dallas Mead said:

Interesting this though.  What is someone actually getting when they “buy Wigan” off Lenaghan?  Players, kit, the IPR…..but no ground?  Can’t be actually worth that much surely?

Put a bid in, then and find out.  😃

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15 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Just back at our hotel after the game (Posted on another thread just now) I have so much respect for Wigan as a club and for what they have achieved however from my observations tonight it is a club sadly in serious decline.

The fan base seems generally very old compared to other clubs (Although there are a few with similar problems) it must be hard having been able to see so many greats in the passed as now there are simply no stars.

We left just after half time my 12 year old is autistic and the language was so bad from behind us that my wife said if you dont leave now I will just take the car and you can take a taxi back to the hotel,i understand that passions can run high but when grown men are using the F word every 2 seconds its really quite awful.

We have an image problem which badly needs to be addressed.

 

Oh well off to Hull tomorrow.

 

Cheers 

 

Paul

PS/We went to Blackpool today which was totally depressing made Margate look like Monaco I hope the championship bash moves to York would be much better Blackpool seems to be full of drug addicts very sad.

Yeah, I've had 'words' with people about swearing near my kids in the past in both SL and Champ ganes - I always position us nearer the edge of crowds

Blackpool has always been full of drunks and druggies - last time I was there 20 years ago it did anyway... It's marginally worse than Southend but its close 

 

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6 hours ago, JohnM said:

You some sort of liberal do gooder, letting him off like that?😃😃😃.

Burn him! Burn him!..then bin him  for the season,then next season, then for all eternity.

He assaulted a defenceless player on the ground and directly aimed for his head.

In a contact sport, where participation numbers are dropping and governments or grant bodies are increasingly unwilling to give money to youth sport if it poses too high a risk, anyone who thinks his actions are a joke are idiots and cancerous to the survival of the game. 

 

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There isn’t much wrong at Wigan that a good coach can’t fix. There are a few other things that need looking at:

- we spend far too much on player development and community activities. The first team is all that matters. We have around 40 staff doing things like supporting other teams and going round trying to get people to play. That’s not our job. Picking all these home grown players is a waste of time and effort - if they are good they will get picked off in any case;

- make sure we sign more and better overseas players; 

- make sure we sign the best overseas coach available; 

- if we are going to have a thin and young squad, skip games like everyone else. Just find some failed COVID cases, pass them off and put your feet up. At this rate we will have played every round while other clubs have sensibly given themselves 5 or 6 weeks off. It’s bad enough having to play bigger sides when we’re fresh, it’s madness trying to play them when we are tired; and 

- canvass to get rid of the downward spiral salary cap. With the money we save from useless do goody initiatives, we could be signing talent. 

The great Wigan teams I saw got by on hardly any home grown players. We aren’t an academy we are a first team. 

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2 hours ago, Dallas Mead said:

Just have mate, £15-57, I’ll keep you appraised.

Not enough.

2007 "Lenagan bought the club from former JJB Sports magnate and Wigan Athletic chairman Dave Whelan. As well as buying the club Lenagan also bought the training facilities at Edge Hall Road, the former stadium of Orrell R.U.F.C. as well as a 50-year lease on the JJB Stadium."

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