DavidM Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Maybe it was only 4 games because he’s usually not involved in this kind of stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Have to say, I think Isa is very lucky for his charge on Welsby to be considered under the category 'Reckless' rather than intentional. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheVee Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, David Dockhouse Host said: He intended to smash him for sure, but he mistakenly thought he had the ball after a terrible read and didn't mean to go into his head. Those were my thoughts and panel seem to think the same, 4 sounds about right but he may appeal. Ever wondered how the disciplinary process works? Former SL ref explains the process in this #Rugby show https://youtu.be/u_nWi5xRnno Ah the old - “I thought he still had the ball several seconds after he didn’t so I attacked his prone head on the floor” defence. Never fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheVee Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 32 minutes ago, DavidM said: Maybe it was only 4 games because he’s usually not involved in this kind of stuff Not since the last derby game anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris22 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, JohnM said: Even if they have, its nowhere near the forum record for cant and hypocrisy. Respect the officials, judiciary, process etc why don't you. I haven't disrespected the officials, judiciary or disciplinary process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Scubby said: How is Willie Isa still in first grade? So you think it's OK to behave like that in the lower tiers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Absolutely laughable, RFL disciplinary embarrassing itself as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Dockhouse Host Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, FearTheVee said: Ah the old - “I thought he still had the ball several seconds after he didn’t so I attacked his prone head on the floor” defence. Never fails. I guess the only person who really knows the truth is Isa, we are left to speculate. I cannot imagine why he would have done it had he known Welsby didn't have the ball though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, David Dockhouse Host said: He intended to smash him for sure, but he mistakenly thought he had the ball after a terrible read and didn't mean to go into his head. Those were my thoughts and panel seem to think the same, 4 sounds about right but he may appeal. Ever wondered how the disciplinary process works? Former SL ref explains the process in this #Rugby show https://youtu.be/u_nWi5xRnno Then mistakenly fell on him and mistakenly smashed him on the ground in the mush with no ball within 5 metres. I’ve no idea how that isn’t a red card tbh , or at least the VR doesn’t say it’s more than on report . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, dkw said: Absolutely laughable, RalL disciplinary embarrassing itself as usual. Isn't it just , we want to bring in more kids to play the game , and when an already loose cannon explodes in essentially our highest profile game , they give him excuses after excuses I seriously hope they told him any repeat will not see him dealt with as leniently but will see season ending bans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, David Dockhouse Host said: I guess the only person who really knows the truth is Isa, we are left to speculate. I cannot imagine why he would have done it had he known Welsby didn't have the ball though? Even if he had the ball you can't smash him in the head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Dockhouse Host Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, GUBRATS said: Isn't it just , we want to bring in more kids to play the game , and when an already loose cannon explodes in essentially our highest profile game , they give him excuses after excuses I seriously hope they told him any repeat will not see him dealt with as leniently but will see season ending bans Why do you think those X players and judges saw it differently ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Dockhouse Host Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, GUBRATS said: Even if he had the ball you can't smash him in the head I agree, I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with it, just that I question it was done knowing the player didn't have the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, David Dockhouse Host said: I agree, I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with it, just that I question it was done knowing the player didn't have the ball. How could he not ? I’ve watched it again and YJW is looking up at him with no ball in sight as Isa falls on him … then swings one in his mush . If that was a spot the ball picture no one would have a chance coz the ball wouldn’t be in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 44 minutes ago, DavidM said: Then mistakenly fell on him and mistakenly smashed him on the ground in the mush with no ball within 5 metres. I’ve no idea how that isn’t a red card tbh , or at least the VR doesn’t say it’s more than on report . I don’t think you can blame the ref as the simple fact tackles happened after it probably meant he couldn’t give anything else than on report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 50 minutes ago, dkw said: Absolutely laughable, RalL disciplinary embarrassing itself as usual. Rail? Leigh Station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 45 minutes ago, David Dockhouse Host said: Why do you think those X players and judges saw it differently ? Rhetorical question, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, David Dockhouse Host said: I guess the only person who really knows the truth is Isa, we are left to speculate. I cannot imagine why he would have done it had he known Welsby didn't have the ball though? Because he's either a brainless thug or batshit mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh1 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 34 minutes ago, bobbruce said: I don’t think you can blame the ref as the simple fact tackles happened after it probably meant he couldn’t give anything else than on report. We are blaming the disciplinary, not the ref. Yet again they have failed. A thug, on a mission, gets away with yet more thuggery. The disciplinary should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. But they are probably having a beer in the local hostelry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, johnh1 said: We are blaming the disciplinary, not the ref. Yet again they have failed. A thug, on a mission, gets away with yet more thuggery. The disciplinary should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. But they are probably having a beer in the local hostelry. The person I quoted asked why the VR didn’t step in that’s what I was answering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh1 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, bobbruce said: The person I quoted asked why the VR didn’t step in that’s what I was answering. Ok. Fair enough. He should have done so. And Isa should have been sent off on the VRs intervention. But the disciplinary should have had the bottle to deal with him and suspend him for an appropriate number of games for all his thuggery in that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, johnh1 said: And Isa should have been sent off on the VRs intervention Yeh that’s what I was getting at , not the ref tbh . He saw the footage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, DavidM said: Yeh that’s what I was getting at , not the ref tbh . He saw the footage That’s what I was trying to answer once tackles have been completed I don’t think the ref can go back whether the VR spots it or not so the ref go only go with on report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, bobbruce said: That’s what I was trying to answer once tackles have been completed I don’t think the ref can go back whether the VR spots it or not so the ref go only go with on report. Yes, this was my point on the match thread at the time when it was suggested Isa get a yellow or a red. I mentioned that as the ref hadn't seen the incident and it was picked up by the video ref, could it only be put on report and no on field action taken? I don't know the definitive answer to this but sending players off based on video ref intervention would create an inconsistency between televised and non televised games I guess. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostik Bailey Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Old Frightful said: https://www.rugby-league.com/governance/rules-and-regulations/disciplinary/match-review-panel I do think that the make up of the DP panel is the problem. The last time any if these people played the game was 20? years ago. The injury protocols and general attitude to player welfare has changed beyond recognition in the intervening years. What was acceptable 20 years ago should now be a straight red, so of course these ex-players will be lenient because, “in my day, we would have done far worse”…etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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