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On 12/09/2021 at 11:39, JM2010 said:

What about NW counties league with a 2nd team/feeder team playing in the Midlands league?

Probably be less travelling than conference league south

From League One to the NW Counties league? That’s like saying a league one football team would be ok dropping into the conference north. 

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14 minutes ago, Eddie said:

From League One to the NW Counties league? That’s like saying a league one football team would be ok dropping into the conference north. 

It's alright because its little old Coventry. Imagine suggesting someone like Keighley (who Coventry have beaten twice in the last 3 years) being asked to drop down to the NW counties league 

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4 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

It's alright because its little old Coventry. Imagine suggesting someone like Keighley (who Coventry have beaten twice in the last 3 years) being asked to drop down to the NW counties league 

Pennine League, surely?

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1 hour ago, Eddie said:

From League One to the NW Counties league? That’s like saying a league one football team would be ok dropping into the conference north. 

It's suggestion for if they went back to being a community club. I'd rather League 1 secured enough funding so all the clubs could stay semi pro and Coventry Bears continued developing the community game in the West Midlands 

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9 minutes ago, JM2010 said:

It's suggestion for if they went back to being a community club. I'd rather League 1 secured enough funding so all the clubs could stay semi pro and Coventry Bears continued developing the community game in the West Midlands 

I doubt a community (fully amateur) club with that distance to travel every fortnight would be viable. 

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2 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:

It's alright because its little old Coventry. Imagine suggesting someone like Keighley (who Coventry have beaten twice in the last 3 years) being asked to drop down to the NW counties league 

Imagine imagining that rugby league is decided by what happens on the field:after merges,promotions,and Toronto,in recent times.

Imagine where Keighley Cougars may have been if,because of what happened on the field in the 1990's,they had been allowed the rightful promotion into Super League. 

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I feel awfully sad for Coventry as they are an improving team, and for that matter I feel sorry for all the League One teams.

BUT your not looking at the BIG PICTURE.

By Taking 50k of all the 10 L1 teams that means we can add 41K to each of the teams in Super Greed

£1,800000 plus £41,000 = £1,841000  -- Brilliant innit - Fix all the problems, that will?

And as an added plus -  for every L1 that folds this will mean an additional £1666 for each Super Greed team

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1 hour ago, Angelic Cynic said:

Imagine imagining that rugby league is decided by what happens on the field:after merges,promotions,and Toronto,in recent times.

Imagine where Keighley Cougars may have been if,because of what happened on the field in the 1990's,they had been allowed the rightful promotion into Super League. 

I don't think that at all. However Coventry are consistently judged on their on field performance. Who knows where Keighley would be but they are where they are. No one in a million years would suggest they become an amateur club though. 

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3 hours ago, Eddie said:

I doubt a community (fully amateur) club with that distance to travel every fortnight would be viable. 

Gateshead manage it in the NCL don't they? Nottingham in Yorkshire Prem. Some of the CLS teams? Some of the Cumbrian NCL teams?

15 minutes ago, JM2010 said:

And that's where the problem is. If they did go back to amateur what league could they play in?

 

4 minutes ago, Eddie said:

There isn’t one for them to play in at any suitable level. 

NCL, same as last time they were amateur? 

5 hours ago, bowes said:

I think this was Coventry Dragons. I remember they ended up joining the London Premier Division instead but then folded rather than playing the season. I can't remember why they suddenly folded though (they were a strong side up until that point). Northampton Demons suddenly collapsed at the same time, they were the strongest amateur clubs in the midlands (after Nottingham) so it was a shock, especially as Leicester Storm had folded not long before.

Yeah that's right. One of my mates played for Dragons at the time and said in part it was because a few of their best players had joined Cov Bears. I think they might have been at Cov Bears originally and then gone to Dragons, but as those players were the best and most committed, them leaving had a disproportionately large impact. 

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6 minutes ago, Saint 1 said:

Gateshead manage it in the NCL don't they? Nottingham in Yorkshire Prem. Some of the CLS teams? Some of the Cumbrian NCL teams?

The NCL is leagues ahead of the Lancs or Yorks leagues, and I think Gateshead have withdrawn from it anyway. 
 

Nottingham, we’ll yes they do, though the distances are less, though I’m sure Coventry would be delighted to hear that they should be forced play in some rank amateur league 100 miles away just because one other team far inferior to them choose to. 

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3 minutes ago, Eddie said:

The NCL is leagues ahead of the Lancs or Yorks leagues, and I think Gateshead have withdrawn from it anyway. 
 

Nottingham, we’ll yes they do, though the distances are less, though I’m sure Coventry would be delighted to hear that they should be forced play in some rank amateur league 100 miles away just because one other team far inferior to them choose to. 

NCL 3 isn't all that different to Yorkshire Prem. I don't think anyone is saying Coventry HAVE to play in NW Prem. Just they could do, or they could play in NCL, if they wanted to and could no longer afford to fund a League 1 squad. It's not impossible.  

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17 minutes ago, Saint 1 said:

 

Yeah that's right. One of my mates played for Dragons at the time and said in part it was because a few of their best players had joined Cov Bears. I think they might have been at Cov Bears originally and then gone to Dragons, but as those players were the best and most committed, them leaving had a disproportionately large impact. 

Sorry but this is rubbish. Only 1 player joined from Dragons (Harry Kaufman) and that was as part of an agreement between the clubs at the time. The Dragons folded for a number of reasons, none of which had anything to do with the Bears who were working with them at the time to provide support. 

 

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I really can't see how forcing the likes of Coventry to play in regional amateur leagues is good for the game and progress. 

Also what does this mean for any prospective professional team going forward? How will a team actually become professional going forward? If numbers fall and the professional league sizes shrink I can see it becoming awfully difficult for any team to ever join the professional ranks.

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29 minutes ago, Damien said:

I really can't see how forcing the likes of Coventry to play in regional amateur leagues is good for the game and progress. 

Also what does this mean for any prospective professional team going forward? How will a team actually become professional going forward? If numbers fall and the professional league sizes shrink I can see it becoming awfully difficult for any team to ever join the professional ranks.

Don’t worry, the RFL have promised that any decision will be for the good of the whole game at all levels. 

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4 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:

Sorry but this is rubbish. Only 1 player joined from Dragons (Harry Kaufman) and that was as part of an agreement between the clubs at the time. The Dragons folded for a number of reasons, none of which had anything to do with the Bears who were working with them at the time to provide support. 

 

Fair enough, my mate played for Dragons but by no means was a core player so happy to believe he was misinformed. What were those reasons, out of curiosity? 

41 minutes ago, newbe said:

All very well saying they could join NCL but who pays for the travel every other week.

Who pays for anyone else's travel in NCL?

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1 hour ago, Saint 1 said:

Fair enough, my mate played for Dragons but by no means was a core player so happy to believe he was misinformed. What were those reasons, out of curiosity? 

Amongst other things they, like Northampton, were too good for the midlands league and things started going wrong from there. They couldn't get games and had no league to play in. They also changed the ground they were playing at and as I understand things hadn't gone as well there. They decided to play in the London league but were going to struggle for players due to all the extra games and travel. It was also a big step up in standard from what they'd been used to at the time. I think a couple of important directors and key players had also decided to call it a day so it was untenable for them. Its a shame because a couple of years later the Southern conference started and they would have probably fitted in well there. 

It's a bit of a perennial problem for clubs in the south. The game has to be better at giving ambitious clubs opportunities to grow. The southern conference was supposed to help with that but a number of clubs have called off games or not finished the season. Its also weakened the leagues below with many teams not even bothering to finish the season. 

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