gingerjon Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Dave T said: People are also a little economicalnwith the truth on the S8's clouded by their own preferences. Some people will often claim that everyone was focused on the middle instead of the top, despite it not actually being true. There was more coverage, more viewers, more media attention, bigger crowds etc. in the Top 8 than the middle 8. Well, yes, there would be. That’s where the bigger clubs were. But to those outside it was very dull and the less said about the Championship Shield the better. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: Or those that couldn't sell it Same people. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Just now, gingerjon said: Well, yes, there would be. That’s where the bigger clubs were. But to those outside it was very dull and the less said about the Championship Shield the better. Correct , so you want the focus to be on the third level , not the top or second ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Same people. SKY ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 minute ago, GUBRATS said: Correct , so you want the focus to be on the third level , not the top or second ? Nope. I want the game to stop pandering to the aspirations of middling semi professional clubs who are the only ones who look back on the 8s with fondness. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Nope. I want the game to stop pandering to the aspirations of middling semi professional clubs who are the only ones who look back on the 8s with fondness. Not their fault That the ' big ' clubs couldn't get interest in the main competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Well, yes, there would be. That’s where the bigger clubs were. But to those outside it was very dull and the less said about the Championship Shield the better. I'll certainly give you the championship shield. I'm not sure why the last quarter of the season was any duller than any other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 9 hours ago, Dave T said: I'll certainly give you the championship shield. I'm not sure why the last quarter of the season was any duller than any other. Couldn’t tell you but it was. Like a bridge between the regular season and the “proper” play offs, it was just something to be got over. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, gingerjon said: Couldn’t tell you but it was. Like a bridge between the regular season and the “proper” play offs, it was just something to be got over. I think the flaw was that it was a race for top 4 that was often already sorted. The other challenge is that the summer period of SL is often the less exciting bit overall. Its why a tweak with points would be needed. But, people shouldn't forget that the S8 also included the playoffs, Grand Final, and games like that Hudds v Leeds game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dave T said: I think the flaw was that it was a race for top 4 that was often already sorted. The other challenge is that the summer period of SL is often the less exciting bit overall. Its why a tweak with points would be needed. But, people shouldn't forget that the S8 also included the playoffs, Grand Final, and games like that Hudds v Leeds game. I think people are okay to say that there are elimination finals and a Grand Final in any version we've had of the play offs so the Super 8s should be judged by the things that only that system brought. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Just now, gingerjon said: I think people are okay to say that there are elimination finals and a Grand Final in any version we've had of the play offs so the Super 8s should be judged by the things that only that system brought. It did bring a specific (imo a lesser) playoff though that was part of the challenge (top 4). In reality, it was a slightly amended way of organising loop fixtures, that people refused to just crack on with and undermined wherever they could. It was no worse than the current loop fixtures, but when you are trying to sell something with a fanfare it needs to be better than 'pretty much the same as now'. It's my concern over 2 x 10, we should only be changing for much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Dave T said: when you are trying to sell something with a fanfare it needs to be better than 'pretty much the same as now'. Yup. It's the issue with any of our deckchair shuffling alternatives to be honest. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Yup. It's the issue with any of our deckchair shuffling alternatives to be honest. Aye, I think we landed on the best structure a while back with 14 teams, 27 games, although we then messed it up with top 8 playoff. Get into as 'normal' a league structure as possible and leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Dave T said: Aye, I think we landed on the best structure a while back with 14 teams, 27 games, although we then messed it up with top 8 playoff. Get into as 'normal' a league structure as possible and leave it. A 14 team league was on the table for next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Spidey said: A 14 team league was on the table for next year Our insecurities led to us abandoning it. We claimed we didn't have enough good players, or good teams to make up the numbers. We need to stop stressing. Leagues have good teams, bad teams, good players, lesser players - it's all part of sport, winners and losers, we need to stop searching for a perfect system and just get a league together and play good Rugby and never discuss format again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dave T said: Our insecurities led to us abandoning it. We claimed we didn't have enough good players, or good teams to make up the numbers. We need to stop stressing. Leagues have good teams, bad teams, good players, lesser players - it's all part of sport, winners and losers, we need to stop searching for a perfect system and just get a league together and play good Rugby and never discuss format again! Yup. There needs to be winners & Losers. When SL was at 14 teams. Was it really any different to now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Dave T said: Our insecurities led to us abandoning it. We claimed we didn't have enough good players, or good teams to make up the numbers. We need to stop stressing. Leagues have good teams, bad teams, good players, lesser players - it's all part of sport, winners and losers, we need to stop searching for a perfect system and just get a league together and play good Rugby and never discuss format again! We get ludicrously hung up on 'quality' when what most people want most of the time is that the majority of games they see will be close and competitive. A 14 team league will have bunches of clubs who when they play each other they are the competitive games - so those would be the ones you'd prioritise putting in front of neutrals on TV. They don't *necessarily* even have to have anything riding on them - only in rugby league does the term dead rubber get bandied around so much - as the nature of the sport and playing for pride will make the games. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Parker Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 19 hours ago, Dave T said: All you do with comments like that is show how your brain works I. E. Self-interest. I care little about how much money my club gets, clubs will adapt to survive, but I do see a fair bit of self-interest here - arguments for Cov to have their money protected versus other clubs - disguised as people saying it's best for the game and then calling SL clubs Super Greed. If clubs are weak, can't secure enough funding, can't attract crowds, investment etc. nothing should be off the table. But it should all be self-driven, I don't believe in forcing these things. The RL originally secured a sky TV deal - The money should be shared equally! Self interest is when 12 clubs want best part of 2,000,000 each and wants the other 24 to share 2 ,000,000 between them. No team should have their money protected, all teams should be treat and funded the same way and then they can find their own way and their own earned position in the RL ladder. This will never happen when SL teams get such a vast amount compared to the other 24, That is self interest Wanting everyone TREAT EQUALLY is not self interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Derwent Parker said: The RL originally secured a sky TV deal - The money should be shared equally! Self interest is when 12 clubs want best part of 2,000,000 each and wants the other 24 to share 2 ,000,000 between them. No team should have their money protected, all teams should be treat and funded the same way and then they can find their own way and their own earned position in the RL ladder. This will never happen when SL teams get such a vast amount compared to the other 24, That is self interest Wanting everyone TREAT EQUALLY is not self interest No matter how many times you repeat this it doesn't make it true. Super League and Super League alone has secured a TV deal, that is literally what Sky are paying for in 2022 and 2023 and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said: The RL originally secured a sky TV deal - The money should be shared equally! Self interest is when 12 clubs want best part of 2,000,000 each and wants the other 24 to share 2 ,000,000 between them. No team should have their money protected, all teams should be treat and funded the same way and then they can find their own way and their own earned position in the RL ladder. This will never happen when SL teams get such a vast amount compared to the other 24, That is self interest Wanting everyone TREAT EQUALLY is not self interest OK, my mistake. It is delusional and misguided. And frankly, a terrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 33 minutes ago, Damien said: No matter how many times you repeat this it doesn't make it true. Super League and Super League alone has secured a TV deal, that is literally what Sky are paying for in 2022 and 2023 and nothing else. We will see it laid out soon, as Rimmer said they will announce a Championship partner. Surely we will see the market value, and then how they decide to split the money? Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 On 09/09/2021 at 15:12, Southerner said: Thoughts? My thought is that we're now two weeks on and no update? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On 09/09/2021 at 15:12, Southerner said: Thoughts? This has gone very quiet, there doesn’t even seem to be rumours on which channels are interested in bidding for the free to air Super League games. Hopefully a main channel bbc/itv/channel4 announcement is coming out soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DlEHARD Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 How much does Fox Sports Australia pay for Super League? DIEHARD / TITAN / MAROON / KANGAROO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henson Park Old Firm Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I smell a Papa Johns deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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