Harry Stottle Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, Dunbar said: I just don't really understand this attitude. Yes, you would expect the teams at the top of the league to have the first choice of players by providing opportunity to win things alongside the cap spend etc. But there is (as you say) a market for the players who may be 'also ran's' . It just feels to me that if you don't have the biggest budget so why hinder yourself any further by also portraying a culture within the business that appears unattractive. It is self defeating. I am still hopeful that Dr Koukash comes on board at Leigh but as time goes by and nothing has been said I am doubtful that would happen, but if it did and Leigh's spending power could match if not surpass any of the other clubs, I am sure there would be many on this site who would resent it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabby Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: That makes the decision to apply for promotion only seem more stupid to be fair then you'll appreciate? As does your comment regarding signings. Bell now to SAINTS confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 37 minutes ago, whatmichaelsays said: Leigh came into Super League with a handicap, but there's no reason to say that if the players had been motivated, if they had felt valued and that if there was a vision or prospects that they can buy into, their performances wouldn't have been better than they have been. They still might not have been good enough to overcome those handicaps and stay up, but they may well have been better than they have been. When people feel valued, they go the extra mile, they buy into the ethos of the environment they're in, they're more likely to join and they're more likely to stay if you want to keep them. Demotivated staff will only ever give you just enough so as not to get fired. If you want more from them, you have to offer them something and unfortunately, the threat of a lambasting in the press isn't going to cut it. Again, I'm sympathetic to the situation Leigh found themselves in this year but if Beaumont wants to build a rag-tag bunch of players who couldn't get contracts elsewhere into a competitive team, he has to work an awful lot harder at making them feel valued. If he wants to treat them like dirt and lambast them in public, then he has no right to complain when the players respond in kind, and see their time in Leigh as a contract where they'll put up with him for a year for the sake of a decent pay day. As @Dunbar rightly says, if you're already at a disadvantage, why entrench that further with a toxic culture? Again, it's a culture that Beaumont seems happy to build at Leigh and one he seems happy to revel in. He's free to do that, but he isn't free of the consequences of doing so. You have managed to write in four paragraphs your complete lack of comprehending what has been going on at Leigh this season, but don't let facts get in the way of your imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Keith Fowler Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I've always thought anyone who does business with Beaumont wants decking. I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tabby said: As does your comment regarding signings. Bell now to SAINTS confirmed. You said "money talks", I'm just pointing out that evidently there is a limit on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, DI Keith Fowler said: I've always thought anyone who does business with Beaumont wants decking. Take a bow sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabby Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: You said "money talks", I'm just pointing out that evidently there is a limit on that. That limit is evident on what league you are actually in. Still no clarification yet and still signings are now being made. Again who ever faces promotion will again share the consequences Leigh have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: You have managed to write in four paragraphs your complete lack of comprehending what has been going on at Leigh this season. What’s been going on at Leigh this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tabby said: That limit is evident on what league you are actually in. Still no clarification yet and still signings are now being made. Again who ever faces promotion will again share the consequences Leigh have. How were London far more competitive than Leigh with a squad which it was widely reported was way off the full salary cap? It is blatantly not just about money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Tabby said: That limit is evident on what league you are actually in. Still no clarification yet and still signings are now being made. Again who ever faces promotion will again share the consequences Leigh have. And especially so if 2023 does go to 2 x 10's there us a strong possibility that 3 clubs could be relegated Toulouse or *Fev would be favourite for the drop if only one was going down if it's 3 then they would have a snowball in hells chance of staying up. * Fev are my favourites to win the Championship GF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabby Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Damien said: How were London far more competitive than Leigh with a squad which it was widely reported was way off the full salary cap? It is blatantly not just about money. How competitive have they been this season as a full time club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 32 minutes ago, JohnM said: It may be of course that there are a number of players not signed elsewhere for reasons other than quality. Even so, I believe that newly promoted teams need protection from immediate relegation, despite their owners best efforts to alienate everyone. There must be some decent idea out there. Maybe it's time to consider some sort of draft system, for example. A decent sensible cool calm and collected discussion within the game would not go amiss, but those adjectives might rule out at least one owner from the discussion. Scrap or raise the salary cap significantly to allow a promoted club to outspend those treading water in Super League. Perhaps more radically another approach would be to give the promoted club more in funding to allow them to overcome the inherent disadvantages that a promoted club faces. Obviously SL took the complete opposite approach with Leigh this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, DI Keith Fowler said: I've always thought anyone who does business with Beaumont wants decking. That is absolutely top quality. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said: What’s been going on at Leigh this season? In respect of the playing roster, at the outset the weakest of all the teams but the numbers of players available for most of the season has been really bad, and even when 17 could be put out there has been 4 half backs in the starting lineup many times playing in the forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tabby said: How competitive have they been this season as a full time club? You are now arguing against yourself. Obviously money does not talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabby Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Just now, Damien said: You are now arguing against yourself. Obviously money does not talk. You are obviously can’t answer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: In respect of the playing roster, at the outset the weakest of all the teams but the numbers of players available for most of the season has been really bad, and even when 17 could be put out there has been 4 half backs in the starting lineup many times playing in the forwards. All fair enough. But in what way does it mitigate the terrible leadership he has displayed by publicly slagging off his playing staff? "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabby Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Dunbar said: All fair enough. But in what way does it mitigate the terrible leadership he has displayed by publicly slagging off his playing staff? What should he do? Bury his head in the sand like most in this sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, RigbyLuger said: Who signs the players at Leigh? Either Gubby, Harry or Sweaty depending upon the thread & who is posting although Tabby is trying to join in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, Tabby said: That limit is evident on what league you are actually in. Still no clarification yet and still signings are now being made. Again who ever faces promotion will again share the consequences Leigh have. No clarification on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 26 minutes ago, Tabby said: That limit is evident on what league you are actually in. Still no clarification yet and still signings are now being made. Again who ever faces promotion will again share the consequences Leigh have. What higher league could Leigh have been in to recruit? I've no doubt at least 2 clubs in Super League operated on lower potential budgets than Leigh this season (Wakey and Salford), but Leigh couldn't get anybody of serious quality to sign for them. With the toxic culture in the club organisation, exposed in full force by Beaumont’s comments last weekend, money didn't talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Tommygilf said: Evidently not, given the lack of top quality signings. All the cash is in the Bank according to the thread last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabby Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Just now, dkw said: No clarification on what? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Tabby said: You are obviously can’t answer that. I don't need to. If London can be more competitive than Leigh in SL, despite spending considerably less, then it obviously isn't all about the money. There are a myriad of factors at play You also answered a question with a question. A question that again shows that it isn't about the money if a full time london team is performing worse than part time teams spending considerably less. You are arguing against yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Tabby said: What should he do? Bury his head in the sand like most in this sport. First and foremost, don't do any of it in public and don't group people together to slag them all off. All that will do is disenfranchise those who are working hard and trying their best. In any organisation there are underperformers to identify and manage out. But you do that behind closed doors and you don't let that impact the wider culture in the business. Praise widely and challenge those who need to be challenged. As a leader he should be showing positivity - not just for those there today but also to attract talent in the future. In any organisation there are 5% or so who spread disharmony and create a toxic culture. Leadership is about identifying and removing that. Unfortunately, one of the 5% here may be the leader. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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