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1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

Just an idea , given Moor lane is north of Salford , would it be viable for Swinton to share ?

 Yes .

But a new 8-10 k stadium at Agecroft should be an answer for both of them.

Land and planning ready to go.

Day release from Forest Bank prison next door would  almost double the crowd........

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9 hours ago, duffymoon said:

Moor Lane is less than half a mile away from the Swinton border .Salford council are quite keen on Swinton using the facility.My understanding is that Swinton would want the same deal as Salford are offered and a better deal than what they are currently receiving at Sale FC.

I'd definitely need to be an equal deal 

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As recently as 2013, the MEN was reporting that Salford were moving to THIS place.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/salford-stadium-gets-green-light-884852.amp

 

Fast forward a few short years, and they have left the Willows. Rented a krappy box stadium that looks nothing like this, been effectively booted out by a union club who were not even involved originally, and are now moving their Super League operation into a non-league soccer ground.

If they keep regressing at the same rate, they'll be part time in a couple of seasons.

Tragic mismanagement, of the type that only Rugby League seems consistently capable.

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33 minutes ago, Whippet13 said:

Still a lot of unknowns from Salford about Moor Lane apparently, although they could simply be trying to negotiate some improvements to the ground:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/16594497/salford-insist-they-are-in-the-dark-over-costs-of-proposed-move-to-moor-lane/

We'll find out more at the fans forum but I trust the current board to get the right deal and make the right decision. 

Whether that be Moor Lane or elsewhere. I get other fans will have their tuppence but we are moving (slowly) in the right direction as a club.

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9 minutes ago, Ray Cashmere said:

We'll find out more at the fans forum but I trust the current board to get the right deal and make the right decision. 

Whether that be Moor Lane or elsewhere. I get other fans will have their tuppence but we are moving (slowly) in the right direction as a club.

Moore Lane or nowhere isnt it? Might be a small ground but it's infinitely better than being homeless for decades like Swinton, hope it works out for you lot.

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7 minutes ago, Whippet13 said:

Moore Lane or nowhere isnt it? Might be a small ground but it's infinitely better than being homeless for decades like Swinton, hope it works out for you lot.

Nope. Other stadia have been mentioned (I think the Etihad Campus was one) but that would require a relocation to Manchester and is clearly not the preferred option.

I agree with your previous post that this is likely a negotiating tactic though. The current board have earnt the right to be trusted based on their track record so I'll reserve judgement on anything until there are some material developments. 

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8 hours ago, Ray Cashmere said:

Nope. Other stadia have been mentioned (I think the Etihad Campus was one) but that would require a relocation to Manchester and is clearly not the preferred option.

I agree with your previous post that this is likely a negotiating tactic though. The current board have earnt the right to be trusted based on their track record so I'll reserve judgement on anything until there are some material developments. 

I think that the other stadiums option is a bit of wishful thinking though, even if it is a negotiating tactic. It's the only card Salford could play in this moment and its not a very strong one at that.

In every other way they are passengers in this deal.

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I largely agree but the other stadia aren't a negotiating tactic, Paul King himself has called them a 'last resort'. That doesn't mean they are unviable, but obviously the Salford Red Devils playing out of East Manchester is not preferable.

Of course economically we have no leverage, but politically we do. Gary Neville isn't going to want to be the local(ish) lad who shafted a community club, especially if he is considering running for GM Mayor in 2024. It wouldn't do much good for Paul Dennett's socialist credentials either...

Money talks at the end of the day but we do have levers we can pull to try and get the best result possible.

 

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On 01/11/2021 at 23:30, doc said:

Looking at Cas and Wakefield's grounds, you have to wonder why Salford ever left the Willows.

If they do move, then I hope it works out well for them.

Because at the time, without the benfit of hindsight, why wouldn't they have. The fact it's not work out is not a reason to have stayed at the Willows in the first place. That would've brought its own issues. 

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On 01/11/2021 at 23:07, Grand Est said:

As recently as 2013, the MEN was reporting that Salford were moving to THIS place.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/salford-stadium-gets-green-light-884852.amp

 

Fast forward a few short years, and they have left the Willows. Rented a krappy box stadium that looks nothing like this, been effectively booted out by a union club who were not even involved originally, and are now moving their Super League operation into a non-league soccer ground.

If they keep regressing at the same rate, they'll be part time in a couple of seasons.

Tragic mismanagement, of the type that only Rugby League seems consistently capable.

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That was the original design for what turned out to be the AJ Bell. 

At the time it seemed an awesome move for Salford and the only way was up. Except.....

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It is effectively Moor Lane or nothing.

 

The good news:

  • due diligence suggests it is a feasible solution
  • The club are meeting with architects/builders imminently to discuss the possibility of expanding the capacity to 6.5k/8k (we can build up, just not out) 
  • We would have full commercial control over the stadium in terms of corporate hospitality & executive boxes (yes, they exist), sponsorship (good news considering our commercial revenue has doubled since February) and food & beverage

 

Obstacles remaining:

  • Cost of expanding the stadium (all depends what quotes we are given)
  • Training base & HQ 
  • Car parking (park & ride logistics already thought through and other local parking solutions are being discussed with the relevant parties)
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On 01/11/2021 at 23:07, Grand Est said:

As recently as 2013, the MEN was reporting that Salford were moving to THIS place.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/salford-stadium-gets-green-light-884852.amp

 

Fast forward a few short years, and they have left the Willows. Rented a krappy box stadium that looks nothing like this, been effectively booted out by a union club who were not even involved originally, and are now moving their Super League operation into a non-league soccer ground.

If they keep regressing at the same rate, they'll be part time in a couple of seasons.

Tragic mismanagement, of the type that only Rugby League seems consistently capable.

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Salford are not getting booted out by the Union club, Salford are moving out as they can’t afford to pay the rent 

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8 minutes ago, Ray Cashmere said:

It is effectively Moor Lane or nothing.

 

The good news:

  • due diligence suggests it is a feasible solution
  • The club are meeting with architects/builders imminently to discuss the possibility of expanding the capacity to 6.5k/8k (we can build up, just not out) 
  • We would have full commercial control over the stadium in terms of corporate hospitality & executive boxes (yes, the exist), sponsorship (good news considering our commercial revenue has doubled since February) and food & beverage

 

Obstacles remaining:

  • Cost of expanding the stadium (all depends what quotes we are given)
  • Training base & HQ 
  • Car parking (park & ride logistics already thought through and other local parking solutions are being discussed with the relevant parties)

But would they own the ground?

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7 minutes ago, Ray Cashmere said:

Effectively yes as it would be a long term leasehold (as Salford City have now) between 21 and 100 years with full control over the stadium's commerciality.

So "no" then.

There's no "effectively" about it.

A lease is not ownership.

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8 minutes ago, dboy said:

So "no" then.

There's no "effectively" about it.

A lease is not ownership.

We’ll ok but there’s obviously different levels/terms of lease.

If we have full commercial control and (presumably) some level of agreement on how the lease is set - eg the council can’t up it 100% each year then this would be a much better deal than we currently have at the AJ Bell(End)

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