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Salford  -  even with a team of all-stars of some of the best players in the game under Brian Snape- have never averaged 8 - 9,000 at The Willows so when Ray Cashmere tries to explain the reasons for their plight and for moving out of the AJ Bell to a smaller ground he is told "the club must try harder."  If A Grand Final and a Cup Final appearance in the last two years can't encourage people to watch the Red Devils what can they do to "try harder?"

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15 minutes ago, Rowan said:

Salford  -  even with a team of all-stars of some of the best players in the game under Brian Snape- have never averaged 8 - 9,000 at The Willows so when Ray Cashmere tries to explain the reasons for their plight and for moving out of the AJ Bell to a smaller ground he is told "the club must try harder."  If A Grand Final and a Cup Final appearance in the last two years can't encourage people to watch the Red Devils what can they do to "try harder?"

Then they must accept they are not a SL club. 

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2 hours ago, Ray Cashmere said:

Who though? The previous owners (The Wilkinson family/Marwan Koukash)? The current administration (Paul King etc)? The employees? The fans? The community?

 

You can't just dumb down what is an incredibly complex situation to get an easy answer. There is plenty of blame to go around for the position we are in amongst plenty of different people and stakeholders. I have neither the time nor the interest to go down that rabbit hole though so if you want to pin it all on 'the club' as if it's this homogenous entity then feel free.

Ok then, it's nothing to do with the club whatsoever. How's that? 

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1 hour ago, Rowan said:

Salford  -  even with a team of all-stars of some of the best players in the game under Brian Snape- have never averaged 8 - 9,000 at The Willows so when Ray Cashmere tries to explain the reasons for their plight and for moving out of the AJ Bell to a smaller ground he is told "the club must try harder."  If A Grand Final and a Cup Final appearance in the last two years can't encourage people to watch the Red Devils what can they do to "try harder?"

Well Ray himself highlighted that the move was a car crash and fan engagement non-existent, so there is an example where the club should have done better. 

There will be far more examples, and that can't just be airbrushed out of history now because there are new owners. 

What the last couple of years is a good example of is that just playing some good rugby isn't going to pack them in.

I do have some sympathy with the bad luck of the last couple of years though, they made the Grand Final and then the next season we hit the pandemic and they played at Wembley with no fans - so that has hardly allowed them to really capitalise on the recent finals. That is real bad luck. 

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1 hour ago, Rowan said:

Salford  -  even with a team of all-stars of some of the best players in the game under Brian Snape- have never averaged 8 - 9,000 at The Willows so when Ray Cashmere tries to explain the reasons for their plight and for moving out of the AJ Bell to a smaller ground he is told "the club must try harder."  If A Grand Final and a Cup Final appearance in the last two years can't encourage people to watch the Red Devils what can they do to "try harder?"

Salford attendances under Snape were pretty much par for the course at the time. However since then their attendances have shrunk whilst others have grown.

I do have sympathy for Salford when it comes to them recently getting to to 2 major finals when they have. On the back of getting to the Grand Final Covid followed the start of the next season and then they get to the Challenge Cup final and its played behind closed doors. They simply did not get the chance to build and capitalise on these events.

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14 hours ago, Davo5 said:

Well with 8-9 K attendances they might have been able to keep up with their rent & wouldn’t be facing eviction.

The stadium company is currently circa £30m in debt, how would an extra 200k per season for the last 10 years have prevented that level of debt? regardless how you want to wash it up any club who rents a stadium runs this risk, wealthier club comes in and instead of buying the stadium is actually purchasing the stadium company including all of its assets allowing the lease agreement to be amended to suit. 

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Surprised there isnt an option for all 3 clubs to play at the AJ. SRD have only 13 home games plus cup and any (unlikely tbf) playoff games and the stadium is surely empty for 4 months over the summer.

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1 hour ago, Whippet13 said:

Surprised there isnt an option for all 3 clubs to play at the AJ. SRD have only 13 home games plus cup and any (unlikely tbf) playoff games and the stadium is surely empty for 4 months over the summer.

Salford City would be looking at roughly 30 home games (on a tuesday/saturday basis) including various cups. Sale with european games (and you'd assume as owners some youth games) probably not far off 45/50 games a season.

Plus they'd want tenants with a good credit score...

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1 hour ago, Whippet13 said:

Surprised there isnt an option for all 3 clubs to play at the AJ. SRD have only 13 home games plus cup and any (unlikely tbf) playoff games and the stadium is surely empty for 4 months over the summer.

Plus if they are averaging 3,000 then they could hold 1 or 2 summer music events and get the same if not more money. 

Plus they will certainly want the pitch maintainence in the summer. 

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Sorry but this stadium should be a no go for a Super League side. İt May be ok for lower levels but it is a dump with very little capacity. This reinforces Super League as a dinky competition not a serious professional top tier one. 

This stadium should not even come into the equation unless they volunteer to move down to championship or lower.

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7 minutes ago, Izmir Zaferi said:

Sorry but this stadium should be a no go for a Super League side. İt May be ok for lower levels but it is a dump with very little capacity. This reinforces Super League as a dinky competition not a serious professional top tier one. 

This stadium should not even come into the equation unless they volunteer to move down to championship or lower.

It is not a dump. You and other may, quite rightly, see it as too small etc but is not a dump. It is a neat and (very) compact stadium that can create a good atmosphere when full.

The issue of stadium and what is good enough standard is an emotive and personal one.

Castleford is a dump. A total dump. But is also has a great feel to it and is the perfect size. Huddersfield is a fine stadium but it is way way too big and has no atmosphere and looks grim on TV.

As ever it’s a balance and not many clubs have the perfect size stadium for their needs and level.

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4 minutes ago, theswanmcr said:

It is not a dump. You and other may, quite rightly, see it as too small etc but is not a dump. It is a neat and (very) compact stadium that can create a good atmosphere when full.

The issue of stadium and what is good enough standard is an emotive and personal one.

Castleford is a dump. A total dump. But is also has a great feel to it and is the perfect size. Huddersfield is a fine stadium but it is way way too big and has no atmosphere and looks grim on TV.

As ever it’s a balance and not many clubs have the perfect size stadium for their needs and level.

lets also not forget that the club have said that this move it it happens has to satisfy them, it may well be that the move is temporary for a couple of years to consolidate take stock and grow, the Commercial side of the club is growing massively and they are looking at growing commercial revenue 4 times what it has been for the last few years. 

lets wait and see what is said at the Fans Forum on the 4th before the salford bashing continues

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8 minutes ago, To Be Confirmed said:

lets also not forget that the club have said that this move it it happens has to satisfy them, it may well be that the move is temporary for a couple of years to consolidate take stock and grow, the Commercial side of the club is growing massively and they are looking at growing commercial revenue 4 times what it has been for the last few years. 

lets wait and see what is said at the Fans Forum on the 4th before the salford bashing continues

Temporary makes absolutely no sense and you are making it sound like Salford have a choice in what happens thereafter. Unless they build a new stadium they are stuck there. I certainly don't think that either Sale or Salford City would be interested in them ever coming back to the AJ Bell.

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Couple of points.

Elsewhere I have called this an example on how not to plan, build a stadium. A complete #### up on all sides, which today's leadership are having to pick up.

Nothing is yet agreed. Proper due diligence is being conducted on any sale or move, which very much reflects the professionalism of Salford City Mayor Paul Dennant in contrast with those in charge of the council when the AJ Bell was first built.

Where are the RFL in this? Surely they should have an opinion? 

The expectation is SRD moves to Moor Lane. If RL was full of happy, shinny people then we might see this as a move to boost a SL club's revenue streams towards further stability. Alongside no debt and anticipated doubling of club sales/advertising before moving.

The site is the same size as Castleford and Wakefield. The potential to even marginally improve it is there. Just as there is in west Yorkshire. All three could have great facilities and a tremendous atmosphere. 

Now there is a SRD supporters meeting on the 4 November. We will hear more facts than opinions then.

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11 minutes ago, Tabby said:

How can it be ludicrous following a pandemic? Most clubs are fighting to survive!  Yet you post an opinion based on the past. How old are you?

The past? What are you talking about? I am very much referring to the future. The pandemic has also very little to do with it, else most other clubs would be losing their home. 

And if it is an elite division that allows one of its clubs to have a 5K stadium, then I aren't sure it has much of a future anyway. 

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