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22 hours ago, Davo5 said:

Well with 8-9 K attendances they might have been able to keep up with their rent & wouldn’t be facing eviction.

You can't be evicted from a premises you are no longer contracted to reside in; as will be the case in 2023 which is the date all parties seem to agree will be the date Sale/Salford City complete & we vacate...

 

22 hours ago, Davo5 said:

What makes you think Salford’s attendances will increase by moving to  a tiny,stadium with poor facilities ?

Its size will hardly improve the TV product no matter how many are in attendance,it will still look like an amateur ground hardly befitting the top level of RL in the Northern hemisphere.

Moor Lane is in a better geographical location within the Salford area than the AJ Bell in terms of historical fanbase. Moor Lane may give us the opportunity to create and retain matchday revenue outside of ticket sales which AJ Bell does not. I believe the matchday experience will be better as well on account of it not being a soulless identikit stadium that smells of sewerage.

That does not mean it is an aspirational move nor is it a magic bullet for attendances. It is the clubs responsibility (and Salford's more fairweather fans) to increase attendances. Various owners have failed to realise the corporate and commercial potential of playing at the AJ Bell in terms of proximity to Trafford Park, MediaCity & Manchester City Centre. This will undoubtedly be harder at Moor Lane. However, it is a sector the whole sport fails to successfully engage with. 

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21 hours ago, Rowan said:

Salford  -  even with a team of all-stars of some of the best players in the game under Brian Snape- have never averaged 8 - 9,000 at The Willows so when Ray Cashmere tries to explain the reasons for their plight and for moving out of the AJ Bell to a smaller ground he is told "the club must try harder."  If A Grand Final and a Cup Final appearance in the last two years can't encourage people to watch the Red Devils what can they do to "try harder?"

I largely agree with that. Personally, I think the club's current directors are doing a good job of slowly and sustainably building the club back up from what was a pretty dire situation following Koukash. This isn't a quick fix and it may not be a fix at all in terms of retaining SL status as we have no divine right to stay in SL with our crowds as they are. 

The pandemic couldn't have come at a worse time in terms of building momentum from the Grand Final and Challenge Cup Final but we can't use that as an excuse not to raise our attendances. 

Our crowds are incredibly frustrating when you consider the size and economic growth of both Manchester and Salford. I do believe Salford could/should be important to a growing Super League in this sense but it is up to the club to fulfil that potential. If we don't, we can't expect to continue punching above our weight in Super League as TO, York, Newcastle etc look to take our place.

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43 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Just an idea , given Moor lane is north of Salford , would it be viable for Swinton to share ?

Moor Lane is less than half a mile away from the Swinton border .Salford council are quite keen on Swinton using the facility.My understanding is that Swinton would want the same deal as Salford are offered and a better deal than what they are currently receiving at Sale FC.

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1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

Just an idea , given Moor lane is north of Salford , would it be viable for Swinton to share ?

 Yes .

But a new 8-10 k stadium at Agecroft should be an answer for both of them.

Land and planning ready to go.

Day release from Forest Bank prison next door would  almost double the crowd........

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9 hours ago, duffymoon said:

Moor Lane is less than half a mile away from the Swinton border .Salford council are quite keen on Swinton using the facility.My understanding is that Swinton would want the same deal as Salford are offered and a better deal than what they are currently receiving at Sale FC.

I'd definitely need to be an equal deal 

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As recently as 2013, the MEN was reporting that Salford were moving to THIS place.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/salford-stadium-gets-green-light-884852.amp

 

Fast forward a few short years, and they have left the Willows. Rented a krappy box stadium that looks nothing like this, been effectively booted out by a union club who were not even involved originally, and are now moving their Super League operation into a non-league soccer ground.

If they keep regressing at the same rate, they'll be part time in a couple of seasons.

Tragic mismanagement, of the type that only Rugby League seems consistently capable.

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33 minutes ago, Whippet13 said:

Still a lot of unknowns from Salford about Moor Lane apparently, although they could simply be trying to negotiate some improvements to the ground:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/16594497/salford-insist-they-are-in-the-dark-over-costs-of-proposed-move-to-moor-lane/

We'll find out more at the fans forum but I trust the current board to get the right deal and make the right decision. 

Whether that be Moor Lane or elsewhere. I get other fans will have their tuppence but we are moving (slowly) in the right direction as a club.

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9 minutes ago, Ray Cashmere said:

We'll find out more at the fans forum but I trust the current board to get the right deal and make the right decision. 

Whether that be Moor Lane or elsewhere. I get other fans will have their tuppence but we are moving (slowly) in the right direction as a club.

Moore Lane or nowhere isnt it? Might be a small ground but it's infinitely better than being homeless for decades like Swinton, hope it works out for you lot.

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7 minutes ago, Whippet13 said:

Moore Lane or nowhere isnt it? Might be a small ground but it's infinitely better than being homeless for decades like Swinton, hope it works out for you lot.

Nope. Other stadia have been mentioned (I think the Etihad Campus was one) but that would require a relocation to Manchester and is clearly not the preferred option.

I agree with your previous post that this is likely a negotiating tactic though. The current board have earnt the right to be trusted based on their track record so I'll reserve judgement on anything until there are some material developments. 

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8 hours ago, Ray Cashmere said:

Nope. Other stadia have been mentioned (I think the Etihad Campus was one) but that would require a relocation to Manchester and is clearly not the preferred option.

I agree with your previous post that this is likely a negotiating tactic though. The current board have earnt the right to be trusted based on their track record so I'll reserve judgement on anything until there are some material developments. 

I think that the other stadiums option is a bit of wishful thinking though, even if it is a negotiating tactic. It's the only card Salford could play in this moment and its not a very strong one at that.

In every other way they are passengers in this deal.

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I largely agree but the other stadia aren't a negotiating tactic, Paul King himself has called them a 'last resort'. That doesn't mean they are unviable, but obviously the Salford Red Devils playing out of East Manchester is not preferable.

Of course economically we have no leverage, but politically we do. Gary Neville isn't going to want to be the local(ish) lad who shafted a community club, especially if he is considering running for GM Mayor in 2024. It wouldn't do much good for Paul Dennett's socialist credentials either...

Money talks at the end of the day but we do have levers we can pull to try and get the best result possible.

 

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On 01/11/2021 at 23:30, doc said:

Looking at Cas and Wakefield's grounds, you have to wonder why Salford ever left the Willows.

If they do move, then I hope it works out well for them.

Because at the time, without the benfit of hindsight, why wouldn't they have. The fact it's not work out is not a reason to have stayed at the Willows in the first place. That would've brought its own issues. 

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On 01/11/2021 at 23:07, Grand Est said:

As recently as 2013, the MEN was reporting that Salford were moving to THIS place.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/salford-stadium-gets-green-light-884852.amp

 

Fast forward a few short years, and they have left the Willows. Rented a krappy box stadium that looks nothing like this, been effectively booted out by a union club who were not even involved originally, and are now moving their Super League operation into a non-league soccer ground.

If they keep regressing at the same rate, they'll be part time in a couple of seasons.

Tragic mismanagement, of the type that only Rugby League seems consistently capable.

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That was the original design for what turned out to be the AJ Bell. 

At the time it seemed an awesome move for Salford and the only way was up. Except.....

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