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37 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

In partial answer to your last point, the masses won control of football from the toffs in the 1800s, in Rugby the solution arrived at in that debate was a split. 

Interestingly (to an extent) there was also an amateur fightback within soccer after that time - hence the creation and ongoing existence (albeit now diminished) of the Amateur Football Alliance.

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1 hour ago, David Dockhouse Host said:

I imagine 3k at Moor lane would feel like more than 3k at AJ Bell?

If they moved and had a big game, maybe they could use AJ Bell for specific matches? 

I think more teams should possibly look at doing this, especially those renting much larger football stadiums such as my own team Hull. 

On the thread about the Billy Boston stand, someone said Wigan should probably look at getting an 18,000 or so stadium themselves and I think this should maybe be the case for Hull and Huddersfield as well. We'd probably be alright with 15,000 and Huddersfield 10,000.

We could still play the derby at the MKM. Playing a big game like that at a larger stadium as a one off would possibly encourage a larger crowd as well because it would feel more like an event I think. 

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It might be that Wigan would be better spending money on getting more people into their existing stadium, though, rather than spending it on a new stadium.

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42 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

On the thread about the Billy Boston stand, someone said Wigan should probably look at getting an 18,000 or so stadium themselves and I think this should maybe be the case for Hull and Huddersfield as well. We'd probably be alright with 15,000 and Huddersfield 10,000.

You're looking at £20-30 million to do that. Hard to see any of those clubs being able to make a good business case to borrow that kind of money. 

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2 hours ago, David Dockhouse Host said:

I imagine 3k at Moor lane would feel like more than 3k at AJ Bell?

If they moved and had a big game, maybe they could use AJ Bell for specific matches? 

 

46 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

I think more teams should possibly look at doing this, especially those renting much larger football stadiums such as my own team Hull. 

On the thread about the Billy Boston stand, someone said Wigan should probably look at getting an 18,000 or so stadium themselves and I think this should maybe be the case for Hull and Huddersfield as well. We'd probably be alright with 15,000 and Huddersfield 10,000.

We could still play the derby at the MKM. Playing a big game like that at a larger stadium as a one off would possibly encourage a larger crowd as well because it would feel more like an event I think. 

Leeds got their record attendance when Headingley was getting developed and they took a few games to Elland Road. Despite the bigger attendances it didn’t make sense financially to go back to Elland Road, as after paying to rent the stadium Leeds were better off and made more profit with a smaller attendance at Headingley.

I think we should move to a kind of mini magic double header on the road games. This would share out the costs of hiring bigger venues. Something like this in year 1.

Wigan V Saints and Salford v Warrington at a Man City’s ground or Anfield

Leeds v Huddersfield and Wakefield v Castleford at Elland Road or Bramhall Lane

Keep the Hull v Hull in Hull and Catalans v Toulouse in France 

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Saw the point made on Twitter before but it is worth repeating. Salford moved stadiums in order to comply with the RFL's minimum standards. Other clubs made no such efforts. And here we are, with Salford potentially about to become homeless. Victims of complying with the regulations at the time.

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If they moved to moor lane should Salford AFC go to Aj Bell,  plonk a 3g pitch down it would be a significant improvement for them and the wider game. 

We need to get to a place for tv where every club is a viable choice to show on tv because it is not half empty.  Salford move wakey sort out their ground.  Thats two of the five fixed. 

Plus If Salford go down but with a 3g pitch,  they can rebuild and re-energise after a few grim years. 

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Just now, Chris22 said:

Saw the point made on Twitter before but it is worth repeating. Salford moved stadiums in order to comply with the RFL's minimum standards. Other clubs made no such efforts. And here we are, with Salford potentially about to become homeless. Victims of complying with the regulations at the time.

Salford moved because they took a balanced decision that The Willows was more of a burden than a new ground would be. That may, even with how things have panned out, have been the correct decision.

The RFL's minimum standards have always been circumventable.

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4 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Salford moved because they took a balanced decision that The Willows was more of a burden than a new ground would be. That may, even with how things have panned out, have been the correct decision.

The RFL's minimum standards have always been circumventable.

I am not a Salford fan but I disagree with your opinion that Salford may have made the right decision to leave The Willows.

They lost a lot of fans by moving.Bad enough but they lost a lot more than that as they lost big revenues as they owned the ground and variety centre.
 

Salford should have over a period of time refurbished The Willows,after all and with all due respect to them Cas and Wakefield play in stadiums that I question whether or not they should have their safety licence revoked.

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1 hour ago, Robthegasman said:

I am not a Salford fan but I disagree with your opinion that Salford may have made the right decision to leave The Willows.

They lost a lot of fans by moving.Bad enough but they lost a lot more than that as they lost big revenues as they owned the ground and variety centre.
 

Salford should have over a period of time refurbished The Willows,after all and with all due respect to them Cas and Wakefield play in stadiums that I question whether or not they should have their safety licence revoked.

The Willows was unsafe and costing tens of thousands just to maintain as “really really poor”.

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Have to laugh about how having a brand new facility built for them is being cited as the reason for Salford's current plight. I don't recall at the time the dissenting voices saying, no we must stay The Willows as it would all end in tears. Truth is, offered the same opportunity,Trinity or Cas would've snapped the hand off the LA/developer for what Salford we're given. The fact they are where they are isn't because they were moved on against their will, more so they haven't been able to make the most of the opportunity of a brand new facility. 

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22 minutes ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

Have to laugh about how having a brand new facility built for them is being cited as the reason for Salford's current plight. I don't recall at the time the dissenting voices saying, no we must stay The Willows as it would all end in tears. Truth is, offered the same opportunity,Trinity or Cas would've snapped the hand off the LA/developer for what Salford we're given. The fact they are where they are isn't because they were moved on against their will, more so they haven't been able to make the most of the opportunity of a brand new facility. 

Harsh but fair.

Sale got over 8k last week for a league game there and they charge nearly double for ticket prices. Seem logistics and problems only exists for Salford.

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9 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

It’s a cycle of lots of coverage and popularity breeds more popularity and coverage. If you look at the top soccer league in Australia A-League the attendances are lower than the NRL, probably similar to Super League. If a sport is hidden away out of sight people will not come flocking to it. It’s why we need to get as much coverage as possible on free to air tv. 

But Liverpool FC could fill a stadium in Australia that no NRL team could.

A lot of it is down to the quality. 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Harsh but fair.

Sale got over 8k last week for a league game there and they charge nearly double for ticket prices. Seem logistics and problems only exists for Salford.

Only RU in top flight for a huge geographical spread so bit more of a wider affluent base to go from. Salford got unlucky with Covid not allowing them to exploit their GF appearance and no trip to Wembley either.  

Salford would benefit from a team in central manchester they can grow to hate and also a facility that can be exploited 24 7. 

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And why do you think so many Australians showed up to watch Liverpool? It’s the same reason Wembley gets filled for NFL games. Those teams are massive International brands because they are the League they play in has so much exposure and coverage.

23 minutes ago, DC77 said:

But Liverpool FC could fill a stadium in Australia that no NRL team could.

A lot of it is down to the quality. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, gingerjon said:

The Willows was unsafe and costing tens of thousands just to maintain as “really really poor”.

I don’t disagree with you on that one to be fair.Yes it was an old stadium that had seen better days.But I still say that the stadium could have been refurbished,been done at Widnes.

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5 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Only RU in top flight for a huge geographical spread so bit more of a wider affluent base to go from. Salford got unlucky with Covid not allowing them to exploit their GF appearance and no trip to Wembley either.  

Salford would benefit from a team in central manchester they can grow to hate and also a facility that can be exploited 24 7. 

There is no way Salford fans would ever accept moving into Manchester or indeed rebranding as a Manchester club.

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26 minutes ago, Robthegasman said:

There is no way Salford fans would ever accept moving into Manchester or indeed rebranding as a Manchester club.

Think the suggestion is to get them a Manchester rival i.e. Manchester Rangers. 

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51 minutes ago, Robthegasman said:

There is no way Salford fans would ever accept moving into Manchester or indeed rebranding as a Manchester club.

You missed the point.  I want Manchester Rangers in the pyramid playing out of the MRA so Salford can build a rivalry game and the RFL can get serious about investing and regrowing the game in Manchester.

Hull have KR.  Wigan Saints.  Dragons now have Toulouse.  Wakey Cas. 

 

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1 hour ago, Robthegasman said:

I don’t disagree with you on that one to be fair.Yes it was an old stadium that had seen better days.But I still say that the stadium could have been refurbished,been done at Widnes.

Did Widnes own Naughton Park? Aren't they essentially tenants to the local authority now? 

Salford wouldn't have been able to afford to refurbish The Willows and retain ownership. 

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When Salford sold The Willows, Red City Developments was building the stadium.  This would have provided an income. The Willows needed huge amounts spending to keep the safety certificate.

Brian Kennedy the then owner of Sale was offered a share of the new stadium but refused. Later Sale had to move after doing the dirty to Stockport County. History repeats with this latest move. It should be interesting to see which sport/team come on on top.

Moor Lane is an awful place for a stadium, the crowds won't improve. The low crowds have little to do with the move, the constant drama is the issue.

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