Dunbar Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Jake Connor, Jonny Lomax, Sam Tomkins, Gareth Widdop & Jordan Abdull https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/58669883 Personally, I can't look past Tomkins, he has been the outstanding player in the league's best team. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Jake Connor, Jonny Lomax, Sam Tomkins, Gareth Widdop & Jordan Abdull https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/58669883 Personally, I can't look past Tomkins, he has been the outstanding player in the league's best team. I agree. Tomkins has been the best player in the league by some distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Trinity Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 How some of those are considered for Man of Steel is a joke, out of those Tompkins by a Country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynebennettswinger Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Tomkins by a distance IMHO. I have been impressed by the improvement in Abdul though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Mead Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Widdop has been awesome….but Tomkins for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Agree with everyone else. Has to be Tomkins. Connor has had a very good season and should hopefully be back in the England reckoning. But ultimately couldn't lead his team to the playoffs never mind a grand final. Lomax and Widdop have both had good seasons too but I can't say they have ever stood head and shoulders above the rest in any game I've watched them in this year. Abdull has developed into a quality player and he's great to watch but probably not quite MOS standard. Tomkins is the obvious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live after death Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Widdop, really? Matt Prior for me but this new system players like him will never get near the award again its all about the dhow ponys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Tomkins without doubt. I can't really see it at all with some of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Who picked widdop his dad, Tomkins all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 20 hours ago, Forever Trinity said: How some of those are considered for Man of Steel is a joke, out of those Tompkins by a Country mile. Who would you have picked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedfordshire Bronco Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 16 hours ago, Live after death said: Widdop, really? Matt Prior for me but this new system players like him will never get near the award again its all about the dhow ponys I agree he is a top contender. He's been consistently great at strong carries and is so hard to get down despite not bring a massive forward. Always looking for the offload too and can't remember seeing him make a handling error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheVee Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Jonny Lomax?! The MOS award gets less meaningful every year. Sam Tomkins for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Badrinath Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Loiner said: Who picked widdop his dad, Tomkins all the way. well no, its based on the accumulation of points now, and up until him getting injured in june he was up there with tomkins as best player in the league, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Got to be Tomkins,can understand Connor getting mentioned,he hasn’t much competition in the Hull side but Lomax hasn’t been anywhere near Walmsley’s level for Saints & Currie for me has been Wire’s best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Setter Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Barry Badrinath said: well no, its based on the accumulation of points now, and up until him getting injured in june he was up there with tomkins as best player in the league, But that doesn’t fit the narrative, and is based on truth and logic rather than Barry and Terry’s commentary Tomkins edges it though, based on the second half of the season and his overall effect on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 24, 2021 Author Share Posted September 24, 2021 The points based system really does favour the play makers. The 3 points will typically go to the most influential player in the winning team and very often (not always) that will be a spine player. Alex Walmsley has had as good a season as I have seen from a middle forward in Super League while Mikołaj Olędzk and Prior have been very good for Leeds for most of the season but not on the list. We have to get used to it I think. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Frisky Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dunbar said: The points based system really does favour the play makers. The 3 points will typically go to the most influential player in the winning team and very often (not always) that will be a spine player. Alex Walmsley has had as good a season as I have seen from a middle forward in Super League while Mikołaj Olędzk and Prior have been very good for Leeds for most of the season but not on the list. We have to get used to it I think. I think Walmsley should have won it last season to be honest and I'd put him 2nd behind Tomkins this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 22 hours ago, Live after death said: Widdop, really? Matt Prior for me but this new system players like him will never get near the award again its all about the dhow ponys I wouldn't go for Prior personally although he has been really good this year, but I agree with your assessment of the system. A player like Prior could be exceptional week in week out and probably wouldn't even get a mention. Perhaps a barnstorming Walmsley type might get a look in. But the proper engine room players just don't get the recognition in this system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Well tonight showed that Abdull certainly has a better claim that Widdop Tomkins is the obvious choice from that lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glossop saint Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Is this based on weekly points? And if so, is that used to determine a short list which is then voted on, or do they already know the winner based on the points and just realised a list of the top few to build tension? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, glossop saint said: Is this based on weekly points? And if so, is that used to determine a short list which is then voted on, or do they already know the winner based on the points and just realised a list of the top few to build tension? Thanks. I believe it is the latter. These are the top scorers and the winner is already one of them. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 On 23/09/2021 at 18:05, Forever Trinity said: How some of those are considered for Man of Steel is a joke, out of those Tompkins by a Country mile. Three whole posts in and already a moan. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 On 24/09/2021 at 13:49, Dunbar said: The points based system really does favour the play makers. The 3 points will typically go to the most influential player in the winning team and very often (not always) that will be a spine player. Alex Walmsley has had as good a season as I have seen from a middle forward in Super League while Mikołaj Olędzk and Prior have been very good for Leeds for most of the season but not on the list. We have to get used to it I think. I agree Walmsley has been not only the most influential player for Saints this year but head & shoulders above every other front rower. The guy made as many metres on his own as the entire Leeds pack a few weeks ago and yet performances like this barely get recognised in the mos scoring. St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 On 24/09/2021 at 20:24, MZH said: I wouldn't go for Prior personally although he has been really good this year, but I agree with your assessment of the system. A player like Prior could be exceptional week in week out and probably wouldn't even get a mention. Perhaps a barnstorming Walmsley type might get a look in. But the proper engine room players just don't get the recognition in this system. That was no more typified than the game in Thursday, it was dull and dour but unquestionably hard down the middle with the forwards running on air near the end with all the effort put in and a winger Ash Handley gets MOM, wasn't it selected by an Our League poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Trinity Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 On 25/09/2021 at 09:23, JohnM said: Three whole posts in and already a moan. Well done. Its not a moan I disagree with the people chosen other than Tompkins, Walmsley has been great for Saints far better than tthe other candidates, Abdul has played too few games. Widdop give your head a shake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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