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[Tommygilf]

On 17/12/2021 at 18:03, GUBRATS said:

 mercedes should have avoided all and any interaction with either Red Bull once they'd taken the lead , but they didn't , poor strategy , if they'd have been cleverer they might have been able to negate a safety car and win the race 

That is simply nonsense.

[GUBRATS]

19 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

That is simply nonsense.

IYO

[andyscoot]

10 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

IYO

With respect, you're basically advocating that Mercedes should do something they couldn't. It's all well and good saying "should have avoided Red Bull" but that wasn't possible, so it is nonsense, because it literally doesn't make sense with how the race played out.

How could Lewis have avoided both Red Bulls? By going long and risking the undercut from Max on fresher tyres? Then no doubt you'd be on here saying they should have covered the undercut.

Lewis was faster but he wasn't fast enough to grant a free pit stop at any point. He was always in the window of either Max or Perez. He needed another car fighting with him but unfortunately that wasn't to be. 

[Tommygilf]

47 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

IYO

Honestly not though, they did stay away from Verstappen as much as possible, and no strategy negates a safety car

[GUBRATS]

4 hours ago, andyscoot said:

With respect, you're basically advocating that Mercedes should do something they couldn't. It's all well and good saying "should have avoided Red Bull" but that wasn't possible, so it is nonsense, because it literally doesn't make sense with how the race played out.

How could Lewis have avoided both Red Bulls? By going long and risking the undercut from Max on fresher tyres? Then no doubt you'd be on here saying they should have covered the undercut.

Lewis was faster but he wasn't fast enough to grant a free pit stop at any point. He was always in the window of either Max or Perez. He needed another car fighting with him but unfortunately that wasn't to be. 

Not going to go through the whole scenario again , other than Lewis was a second faster on mediums than Max on softs , and 2 seconds a lap than Perez , he could have easily stayed out long enough to pit and avoid Perez 

Yes the VSC and the SC changed things , but prior to that Merc cocked up 

All irrelevant now , so why anybody is bothered God only knows , unless it's petty point scoring 

[Tommygilf]

13 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Not going to go through the whole scenario again , other than Lewis was a second faster on mediums than Max on softs , and 2 seconds a lap than Perez , he could have easily stayed out long enough to pit and avoid Perez 

Yes the VSC and the SC changed things , but prior to that Merc cocked up 

All irrelevant now , so why anybody is bothered God only knows , unless it's petty point scoring 

They were 11 seconds ahead with 5 laps to go. Max couldn't close that down. Lewis had both hands on the World Title.

As far as "cocking up" goes, that's pretty good going

[GUBRATS]

24 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

They were 11 seconds ahead with 5 laps to go. Max couldn't close that down. Lewis had both hands on the World Title.

As far as "cocking up" goes, that's pretty good going

Im discussing the first 20 laps 

[Tommygilf]

4 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Im discussing the first 20 laps 

Which resulted in Hamilton being 25+ seconds ahead???

[andyscoot]

7 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Not going to go through the whole scenario again , other than Lewis was a second faster on mediums than Max on softs , and 2 seconds a lap than Perez , he could have easily stayed out long enough to pit and avoid Perez 

Yes the VSC and the SC changed things , but prior to that Merc cocked up 

All irrelevant now , so why anybody is bothered God only knows , unless it's petty point scoring 

That only became apparent after the stops though. Mercedes couldn't risk that Max was able to undercut them, so you pit to keep track position. Track position is king - anybody who has followed the sport for a second knows this.

[Tommygilf]

7 hours ago, andyscoot said:

That only became apparent after the stops though. Mercedes couldn't risk that Max was able to undercut them, so you pit to keep track position. Track position is king - anybody who has followed the sport for a second knows this.

Exactly, see the race in Qatar for an excellent example.

[M j M]

8 hours ago, andyscoot said:

That only became apparent after the stops though. Mercedes couldn't risk that Max was able to undercut them, so you pit to keep track position. Track position is king - anybody who has followed the sport for a second knows this.

Exactly. And moreover in this race Hamilton's only task was to finish ahead of Verstappen. It wasn't to win the race although that was an always likely byproduct. Now Perez was an inconvenience but even then it was only a relatively brief one. 

The strategy to match what the only other car on track that really mattered was 100% sound and every other team would have done the same.

[Mumby Magic]

What a game that was Huybrechts Vs Price.

[M j M]

Masi is gone. He won't be missed.

Michael Masi removed as F1 race director

[voteronniegibbs]

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[M j M]

Ah, one of the first sounds of Spring.

 

[Tommygilf]

2 hours ago, M j M said:

Ah, one of the first sounds of Spring.

The no sidepods does seem to be something nobody but Merc thought of and now some are upset

[bobbruce]

As close as you’ll get to an admission that Masi handed the world title to Verstappen. The released the new wording on safety car rules which now says “all” lapped cars must unlap them selves rather than “any”. 

[andyscoot]

Could have been Hamilton's last attempt at the 8th too; they don't look good at all in testing. I know people will say "it's Mercedes, they will work it out" but a manufacturer rarely nails 2 sets of drastically different regulations in a row. Looking like it's Ferrari and Red Bulls season.

[voteronniegibbs]

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[voteronniegibbs]

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[Tommygilf]

22 minutes ago, voteronniegibbs said:

This has been a great thread Tommy, are you starting a new one for F1 2022 or shall we carry on from here?

Thank you. Can I change the name of this one, if so I'm happy to change it. Otherwise lets have a new one?

[voteronniegibbs]

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Edited August 2, 2023 by voteronniegibbs

[Tommygilf]

@ckn would you be able to change the thread title to drop the 2021 please? Can't figure out how on my phone!

[ckn]

47 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

@ckn would you be able to change the thread title to drop the 2021 please? Can't figure out how on my phone!

Done!

[GUBRATS]

Has Lewis stopped sulking yet ?