Tommygilf Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 On 17/12/2021 at 18:03, GUBRATS said: mercedes should have avoided all and any interaction with either Red Bull once they'd taken the lead , but they didn't , poor strategy , if they'd have been cleverer they might have been able to negate a safety car and win the race That is simply nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: That is simply nonsense. IYO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscoot Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: IYO With respect, you're basically advocating that Mercedes should do something they couldn't. It's all well and good saying "should have avoided Red Bull" but that wasn't possible, so it is nonsense, because it literally doesn't make sense with how the race played out. How could Lewis have avoided both Red Bulls? By going long and risking the undercut from Max on fresher tyres? Then no doubt you'd be on here saying they should have covered the undercut. Lewis was faster but he wasn't fast enough to grant a free pit stop at any point. He was always in the window of either Max or Perez. He needed another car fighting with him but unfortunately that wasn't to be. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 47 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: IYO Honestly not though, they did stay away from Verstappen as much as possible, and no strategy negates a safety car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 4 hours ago, andyscoot said: With respect, you're basically advocating that Mercedes should do something they couldn't. It's all well and good saying "should have avoided Red Bull" but that wasn't possible, so it is nonsense, because it literally doesn't make sense with how the race played out. How could Lewis have avoided both Red Bulls? By going long and risking the undercut from Max on fresher tyres? Then no doubt you'd be on here saying they should have covered the undercut. Lewis was faster but he wasn't fast enough to grant a free pit stop at any point. He was always in the window of either Max or Perez. He needed another car fighting with him but unfortunately that wasn't to be. Not going to go through the whole scenario again , other than Lewis was a second faster on mediums than Max on softs , and 2 seconds a lap than Perez , he could have easily stayed out long enough to pit and avoid Perez Yes the VSC and the SC changed things , but prior to that Merc cocked up All irrelevant now , so why anybody is bothered God only knows , unless it's petty point scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: Not going to go through the whole scenario again , other than Lewis was a second faster on mediums than Max on softs , and 2 seconds a lap than Perez , he could have easily stayed out long enough to pit and avoid Perez Yes the VSC and the SC changed things , but prior to that Merc cocked up All irrelevant now , so why anybody is bothered God only knows , unless it's petty point scoring They were 11 seconds ahead with 5 laps to go. Max couldn't close that down. Lewis had both hands on the World Title. As far as "cocking up" goes, that's pretty good going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: They were 11 seconds ahead with 5 laps to go. Max couldn't close that down. Lewis had both hands on the World Title. As far as "cocking up" goes, that's pretty good going Im discussing the first 20 laps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 4 hours ago, GUBRATS said: Im discussing the first 20 laps Which resulted in Hamilton being 25+ seconds ahead??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscoot Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 7 hours ago, GUBRATS said: Not going to go through the whole scenario again , other than Lewis was a second faster on mediums than Max on softs , and 2 seconds a lap than Perez , he could have easily stayed out long enough to pit and avoid Perez Yes the VSC and the SC changed things , but prior to that Merc cocked up All irrelevant now , so why anybody is bothered God only knows , unless it's petty point scoring That only became apparent after the stops though. Mercedes couldn't risk that Max was able to undercut them, so you pit to keep track position. Track position is king - anybody who has followed the sport for a second knows this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted December 25, 2021 Author Share Posted December 25, 2021 7 hours ago, andyscoot said: That only became apparent after the stops though. Mercedes couldn't risk that Max was able to undercut them, so you pit to keep track position. Track position is king - anybody who has followed the sport for a second knows this. Exactly, see the race in Qatar for an excellent example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 8 hours ago, andyscoot said: That only became apparent after the stops though. Mercedes couldn't risk that Max was able to undercut them, so you pit to keep track position. Track position is king - anybody who has followed the sport for a second knows this. Exactly. And moreover in this race Hamilton's only task was to finish ahead of Verstappen. It wasn't to win the race although that was an always likely byproduct. Now Perez was an inconvenience but even then it was only a relatively brief one. The strategy to match what the only other car on track that really mattered was 100% sound and every other team would have done the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumby Magic Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 What a game that was Huybrechts Vs Price. Like poor jokes? Thejoketeller@mullymessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Masi is gone. He won't be missed. Michael Masi removed as F1 race director 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteronniegibbs Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) . Edited August 2, 2023 by voteronniegibbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Ah, one of the first sounds of Spring. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, M j M said: Ah, one of the first sounds of Spring. The no sidepods does seem to be something nobody but Merc thought of and now some are upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 As close as you’ll get to an admission that Masi handed the world title to Verstappen. The released the new wording on safety car rules which now says “all” lapped cars must unlap them selves rather than “any”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyscoot Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Could have been Hamilton's last attempt at the 8th too; they don't look good at all in testing. I know people will say "it's Mercedes, they will work it out" but a manufacturer rarely nails 2 sets of drastically different regulations in a row. Looking like it's Ferrari and Red Bulls season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteronniegibbs Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) . Edited August 2, 2023 by voteronniegibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteronniegibbs Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) . Edited August 2, 2023 by voteronniegibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, voteronniegibbs said: This has been a great thread Tommy, are you starting a new one for F1 2022 or shall we carry on from here? Thank you. Can I change the name of this one, if so I'm happy to change it. Otherwise lets have a new one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteronniegibbs Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) . Edited August 2, 2023 by voteronniegibbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 @ckn would you be able to change the thread title to drop the 2021 please? Can't figure out how on my phone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 47 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: @ckn would you be able to change the thread title to drop the 2021 please? Can't figure out how on my phone! Done! 1 1 "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Has Lewis stopped sulking yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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