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On 17/12/2021 at 18:03, GUBRATS said:

 mercedes should have avoided all and any interaction with either Red Bull once they'd taken the lead , but they didn't , poor strategy , if they'd have been cleverer they might have been able to negate a safety car and win the race 

That is simply nonsense.

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10 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

IYO

With respect, you're basically advocating that Mercedes should do something they couldn't. It's all well and good saying "should have avoided Red Bull" but that wasn't possible, so it is nonsense, because it literally doesn't make sense with how the race played out.

How could Lewis have avoided both Red Bulls? By going long and risking the undercut from Max on fresher tyres? Then no doubt you'd be on here saying they should have covered the undercut.

Lewis was faster but he wasn't fast enough to grant a free pit stop at any point. He was always in the window of either Max or Perez. He needed another car fighting with him but unfortunately that wasn't to be. 

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4 hours ago, andyscoot said:

With respect, you're basically advocating that Mercedes should do something they couldn't. It's all well and good saying "should have avoided Red Bull" but that wasn't possible, so it is nonsense, because it literally doesn't make sense with how the race played out.

How could Lewis have avoided both Red Bulls? By going long and risking the undercut from Max on fresher tyres? Then no doubt you'd be on here saying they should have covered the undercut.

Lewis was faster but he wasn't fast enough to grant a free pit stop at any point. He was always in the window of either Max or Perez. He needed another car fighting with him but unfortunately that wasn't to be. 

Not going to go through the whole scenario again , other than Lewis was a second faster on mediums than Max on softs , and 2 seconds a lap than Perez , he could have easily stayed out long enough to pit and avoid Perez 

Yes the VSC and the SC changed things , but prior to that Merc cocked up 

All irrelevant now , so why anybody is bothered God only knows , unless it's petty point scoring 

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13 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Not going to go through the whole scenario again , other than Lewis was a second faster on mediums than Max on softs , and 2 seconds a lap than Perez , he could have easily stayed out long enough to pit and avoid Perez 

Yes the VSC and the SC changed things , but prior to that Merc cocked up 

All irrelevant now , so why anybody is bothered God only knows , unless it's petty point scoring 

They were 11 seconds ahead with 5 laps to go. Max couldn't close that down. Lewis had both hands on the World Title.

As far as "cocking up" goes, that's pretty good going 😂

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7 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Not going to go through the whole scenario again , other than Lewis was a second faster on mediums than Max on softs , and 2 seconds a lap than Perez , he could have easily stayed out long enough to pit and avoid Perez 

Yes the VSC and the SC changed things , but prior to that Merc cocked up 

All irrelevant now , so why anybody is bothered God only knows , unless it's petty point scoring 

That only became apparent after the stops though. Mercedes couldn't risk that Max was able to undercut them, so you pit to keep track position. Track position is king - anybody who has followed the sport for a second knows this.

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7 hours ago, andyscoot said:

That only became apparent after the stops though. Mercedes couldn't risk that Max was able to undercut them, so you pit to keep track position. Track position is king - anybody who has followed the sport for a second knows this.

Exactly, see the race in Qatar for an excellent example.

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8 hours ago, andyscoot said:

That only became apparent after the stops though. Mercedes couldn't risk that Max was able to undercut them, so you pit to keep track position. Track position is king - anybody who has followed the sport for a second knows this.

Exactly. And moreover in this race Hamilton's only task was to finish ahead of Verstappen. It wasn't to win the race although that was an always likely byproduct. Now Perez was an inconvenience but even then it was only a relatively brief one. 

The strategy to match what the only other car on track that really mattered was 100% sound and every other team would have done the same.

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11 hours ago, M j M said:

Masi is gone. He won't be missed.

Michael Masi removed as F1 race director

It's an admission by the FIA that the outcome was unfairly decided. I was surprised that Ferrari weren't more vocal in their losing the chance of a couple more points by not getting all lapped cars out of the way. Although my money would be on them letting Mercedes do all the complaining and stay "mates" with the FIA themselves. Politics n'all that.

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As close as you’ll get to an admission that Masi handed the world title to Verstappen. The released the new wording on safety car rules which now says “all” lapped cars must unlap them selves rather than “any”. 

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Could have been Hamilton's last attempt at the 8th too; they don't look good at all in testing. I know people will say "it's Mercedes, they will work it out" but a manufacturer rarely nails 2 sets of drastically different regulations in a row. Looking like it's Ferrari and Red Bulls season.

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7 hours ago, bobbruce said:

As close as you’ll get to an admission that Masi handed the world title to Verstappen. The released the new wording on safety car rules which now says “all” lapped cars must unlap them selves rather than “any”. 

Yep, I thought the same. Although I still beleive he crumbled under the pressure rather than intentionally favouring the Red Bull team.

We've just finished watching Drive to Survive on netflix, and it reiterates that Max was the only driver to benefit from the last lap farce.

Wibble

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On 23/09/2021 at 18:31, Tommygilf said:

Couldn't see an existing thread so thought this was most appropriate here. Please see below blogpost there's a few more on F1 there too.

https://tgilf.wordpress.com/2021/09/23/haas-2021-more-difficult-to-manage-than-mercedes-2016/

As for Sochi, I'm excited but nervous. Lewis has to win this one in my opinion.

This has been a great thread Tommy, are you starting a new one for F1 2022 or shall we carry on from here?

Wibble

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22 minutes ago, voteronniegibbs said:

This has been a great thread Tommy, are you starting a new one for F1 2022 or shall we carry on from here?

Thank you. Can I change the name of this one, if so I'm happy to change it. Otherwise lets have a new one?

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19 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Thank you. Can I change the name of this one, if so I'm happy to change it. Otherwise lets have a new one?

I'd say change the name and we'll carry on............ 1st world problems :kolobok_good:

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47 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

@ckn would you be able to change the thread title to drop the 2021 please? Can't figure out how on my phone!

Done!

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