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Sat 9 Oct: SLGF: Catalans Dragons v St Helens KO 18:00 (Sky)


Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • Catalans Dragons by 13 points or more
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    • Catalans Dragons by 7 to 12 points
      16
    • Catalans Dragons by 1 to 6 points
      29
    • St Helens by 1 to 6 points
      10
    • St Helens by 7 to 12 points
      19
    • St Helens by 13 points or more
      12

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On my way back to London on the train from Manchester and at every stop NFL fans are getting on the train Crewe Stafford the train is rammed full of them.

I remember a train from London to Leeds years ago rammed with RL fans heading to watch a GB v Australia tests.

 

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Just now, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Ha! We are thinking of hopping over to Headingly to watch the womens final.... If I were a madman and decided to watch the Champ final at 6pm in heartland Fev where would you recommend... Are the club doing a live screen at the stadium? 

I do believe the club are showing it on the big screen. Don't forget your passport. Enjoy😊

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16 minutes ago, Derwent said:

On the 2 incidents involving Yaha :-

The referee was correct not to award a penalty try as the initial contact by Makinson was on Yaha’s bicep so his momentum was stopped by a legitimate hit. His arm then bounced up into Yaha’s head and was correctly deemed to be accidental contact with the head hence a yellow card. I can understand the call for a penalty try but if the initial contact that halts the player is legal (and it was) then a penalty try can’t be given.

At the other end, Yaha slid into Naquama knees first without any attempt to make a legitimate tackle. In fact his arms were down by his sides. The contact with the head may have been accidental but, as per Makinson’s tackle and as we have seen all year, accidental contact with the head is a yellow card. Moore chickened out by putting it on report.

I am not convinced it should have been a pen try. But hitting shoulder then head is a pen, therefore this isn't the reason it wasn't/shouldn't be given.

Often players go in with knees when they are trying to drop quickly to stop a try, you see it all the time. Not intentional but would be a pen normally, often ignored in try scoring positions. 

I though the ref did well, some calls went each way, but as I've said before it's impossible to ref a game without making an error. 

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2 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

On my way back to London on the train from Manchester and at every stop NFL fans are getting on the train Crewe Srafford the train is rammed full of them.

I remember a train from London to Leeds years ago rammed with RL fans heading to watch a GB v Australia tests.

 

I'd love go an NFL game, it's rare so an attraction.

Same three teams winning all the main RL Trophies isn't rare or attractive to neutrals 

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1 minute ago, David Dockhouse Host said:

I'd love go an NFL game, it's rare so an attraction.

Same three teams winning all the main RL Trophies isn't rare or attractive to neutrals 

I think that is part of the problem with RL in the UK. Obviously Catalan being in the final was different this year, but saints were there again, and won again, it gets boring. It isn’t the top teams fault either, it is up to the other teams to catch up, there just isn’t enough quality over here to have 12 great teams. I think this year has also been one of the poorer years for superleague, the quality hasn’t been great.

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9 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said:

Really enjoyed that. A compelling game from start to finish, with the outcome always in doubt and 100% gripping for the neutral such as myself.

As for the crowd, it didn't actually look so bad on TV except when it panned to the Catalans end - but that was inevitable given the circumstances that we've debated to death. However, the atmosphere came across as absolutely banging on the TV, so well done to the crowd for that at least

One of the best atmospheres I've been part of for quite some time, struggling to remember another final like it recently 

97 challenge cup was great, this I believe beats the others in between IME

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We need to face facts the no one at the RFL has any clue how to promote an event. For a smallish budget you can advertise on YouTube and Facebook (using video). Using new networks like TikTok can be cheap and very effective, getting an influencer to join in on a light training and gym session could have great results. 

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1 minute ago, 7723 said:

I think that is part of the problem with RL in the UK. Obviously Catalan being in the final was different this year, but saints were there again, and won again, it gets boring. It isn’t the top teams fault either, it is up to the other teams to catch up, there just isn’t enough quality over here to have 12 great teams. I think this year has also been one of the poorer years for superleague, the quality hasn’t been great.

I do think there's enough quality, it's just not spread round.

Teams pick their Academy players from anywhere, so the best youth go to the best teams, so difficult to stop this repeating over and over 

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Just now, Mark S said:

We need to face facts the no one at the RFL has any clue how to promote an event. For a smallish budget you can advertise on YouTube and Facebook (using video). Using new networks like TikTok can be cheap and very effective, getting an influencer to join in on a light training and gym session could have great results. 

That is modern marketing, not posters etc 

SM can be cheap but it needs to be more than a few posts, like you say young influencers are the way

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Said this many times, we need to follow the RU model !

Every club that receives central funding sells a number of tickets for the GF and the CC, this is on a sliding scale ie Super League sells the most and working down. 

Example each SL club sells 1000 tickets , if the don't it comes out of there central fund.

Simple way to make every club accountable for our big events, in return the events become sell outs , and there value increases. 

This is the reason Twickenham is always full for meaningless fixtures.

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After several years of ill health, I'm finally well enough to have considered going, especially given Les Cats were there. However,  at my age, despite double vaccination, I am not prepared to risk my health nor that of my wife or in fact anyone else by going to such an event during the current COVID epidemic.  I suggest I am not alone in this.

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38 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

100% very few fans from other clubs and if 45000 were they then I am Boris Johnson.

Great game though reminded me of a good old GB v Aus test match at times.

Problem we have is that many fans don't support the game just their clubs in what is becoming a diminishing market.

Had a long 3/4 hour chat with an Ex SL CEO and Ex SL coach and one of the greatest ever players over the last decade after the game and there is without doubt a serious worry that the game is in decline and needs a major overhaul off the pitch.

Everyone agreed on several points and one of them was franchising.

 

Paul

So disenfranchising a large number of clubs will encourage their fans to spend a fortune supporting franchised big events with a one sport ethos they are excluded from

The game spends too much time listening to fools like Wilkin etc and not bonafide entrepreneurs who understand what building a business requires

 

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1 hour ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Seems even Saints fans on here aren't making much of a case against it

Well at least Tolouse can make it a French success today 

No need to make a case against it as unfortunately if it wasn’t that it would something else. These things happen in big games good teams just get over them. What is disappointing is we aren’t talking about how well both teams played or the unbelievable covering run and tackle by Knowles on Yaha. 

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As I posted earlier Saints are my favourite SL team but I wanted Catalan to win.

I don't think it was a penalty try but there were some tough decisions against Catalan. It seems to me that there always are. As a neutral watching Catalan playing other teams I often think they seem to lose out on 50/50 decisions.

I can see why they may be a bit paranoid.

 

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58 minutes ago, Saint 1 said:

Some of the players could barely walk post-match, really showed how much they had given.

While I agree that we probably had the share of luck (the Coote one was a howler), there were also questionable/wrong decisions that went against us, just nobody is talking about them because 1) we won anyway 2) everyone wanted Catalan to win.

As one example, there was an offload from Walmsley that was ruled a knock on on half way and ended up with us defending our line, instead of Catalan defending theirs. There was also an obstruction during one of the sets Catalan were attacking our line, lead line at an outside shoulder and Tomkins stepping back into that space. 

It was the same in 2019, where everyone wanted Salford to win and therefore insisted the refs gave all the decisions to Saints. Unsurprisingly the same discourse wasn't present in 2020 when all the neutrals wanted neither team to win! 

I agree on the offload, it's a bugbear of mine, but these are standard nowadays. Similarly I could have listed a lot more incidents, its why I don't think Moore had a good game overall. And I think he is a good ref. 

I highlighted those three only as they were real key incidents, but if I was critiquing the ref overall I could have discussed 8 or 9 tbh. 

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46 minutes ago, Derwent said:

On the 2 incidents involving Yaha :-

The referee was correct not to award a penalty try as the initial contact by Makinson was on Yaha’s bicep so his momentum was stopped by a legitimate hit. His arm then bounced up into Yaha’s head and was correctly deemed to be accidental contact with the head hence a yellow card. I can understand the call for a penalty try but if the initial contact that halts the player is legal (and it was) then a penalty try can’t be given.

At the other end, Yaha slid into Naquama knees first without any attempt to make a legitimate tackle. In fact his arms were down by his sides. The contact with the head may have been accidental but, as per Makinson’s tackle and as we have seen all year, accidental contact with the head is a yellow card. Moore chickened out by putting it on report.

I accept the point around the initial hit, and made a similar point myself, but I dont think in reality you can split it into two tackles. 

We are going out of our way to not give penalty tries. 

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Why do we have a play off series? every year my wife asks when the league has been won!

Would man city/utd v chelsea/x  plays off matter?

I know the  answer because we always have done! but perhaps she is right! times change-extra cost of play offs to spectators moan,low attendances  same teams winning-getting a second chance to beat the league leaders!-would things be different or better?

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The yellow was the correct decision , called it straight away 

The only dodgy one for me was the not regaining your feet PTB near the end against the Cats , to me it was a penalty the opposite way for the Saints player leaning on at the tackle , which was potentially in a kick able distance 

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18 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

So disenfranchising a large number of clubs will encourage their fans to spend a fortune supporting franchised big events with a one sport ethos they are excluded from

The game spends too much time listening to fools like Wilkin etc and not bonafide entrepreneurs who understand what building a business requires

 

I am 99% certain that any successful business person would look at the state of the game and it’s finances and advise that we focus on SL. The NRL is proof that we don’t need promotion and relegation.

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8 minutes ago, RLX111 said:

Why do we have a play off series? every year my wife asks when the league has been won!

Would man city/utd v chelsea/x  plays off matter?

I know the  answer because we always have done! but perhaps she is right! times change-extra cost of play offs to spectators moan,low attendances  same teams winning-getting a second chance to beat the league leaders!-would things be different or better?

aro

 

5 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said:

Well, since 1998

1902 championship play offs to 1995 i guess

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Just now, RLX111 said:

aro

 

1902 championship play offs to 1995 i guess

Nope

League winners were crowned champions all through the years I was growing up - from the 70s onwards. Then there were the end-of-season Premiership play-offs. But the league winners were champions.

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