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A number of questions, 

1. Does RL need a national stadium?

Would it improve the image of the sport? How would it be utilised , would being in total control of a RL only stadium of say 40,000 capacity allow wondrous projects to come to fruition?

2. Where should it be? A stadium only for RL capable of hosting England games, big play off matches, MPG, ( GF would still be at OT) should it be new or could an existing stadium be expanded? Headingley is the obvious choice . Is there room for expansion there, up to 40,000 or is that too big? What size should it be ?

3. The cost ?! Enormous or possibly not, private capital required no doubt,  would it all be worth it , or does the game need a national stadium like a fish needs a bicycle?

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At the risk of sounding like a former poster, RL should, if it wants a "national stadium", invest in the redevelopment of an existing football ground. It would only ever require co-ownership - we'd only use it for maybe 10 senior Mens games a year even if we took Magic there.

The Olympic park which now hosts West Ham could have been an option.

Now, given our historically good crowds in Leeds, its central location in RL land and the country, and LUFC's plans to modernise, Elland Road would probably be our best option for investment at the moment.

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22 minutes ago, Chronicler of Chiswick said:

Not in favour. Given the geographical spread of most of our support it would have to be situated in a large Northern conurbation, which would cement our reputation as just a regional sport that the national media can therefore cheerfully ignore.

But it is predominantly a regional sport - maybe we stop bemoaning that fact and rather embrace it and this could be a way to do that? 

 

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29 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

At the risk of sounding like a former poster, RL should, if it wants a "national stadium", invest in the redevelopment of an existing football ground. It would only ever require co-ownership - we'd only use it for maybe 10 senior Mens games a year even if we took Magic there.

The Olympic park which now hosts West Ham could have been an option.

Now, given our historically good crowds in Leeds, its central location in RL land and the country, and LUFC's plans to modernise, Elland Road would probably be our best option for investment at the moment.

Leeds would be the obvious choice and if the RFL/government wanted to chuck some money in the direction of LUFC and their redevelopment plans, to include considerations for RL, I'd be very pleased with that. Sadly I don't see that ever happening as it' just not a priority for the RFL it seems. 

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I think we are in danger of doing all of the close season threads before we even get to November. Have we done 'Cumbria for Super League' yet?

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14 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

I think we are in danger of doing all of the close season threads before we even get to November. Have we done 'Cumbria for Super League' yet?

It's been touched on in one of the other threads already but i'm still looking for the 'Manchester and Liverpool need a RL team' 'BT sport does RL' and 'Could next year be the WC we finally beat Australia?' before it's a full house. 

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Given the views expressed by some on here that clubs should own their own grounds, then it follows that the same people will think the sport itself should also own it's own ground.   How it should be financed, where it should be located,  etc is somethimg that should be left to the idea's proponents.

Disclosure: This is not a view I support.

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Everyone always envisages Twickenham when talking about this.

No one really thinks about the white elephant that is the Crystal Palace National Sports Centre.

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Personally I'm 50/50 about the idea, but if it ever happened it could generate income. I'm thinking about other events it could stage, pop concerts for example, with RFL getting income from that. It could even stage big football matches for smaller local based teams if for example Harrogate get Man Utd in the cup. Yes if they wanted a bigger gate they could hold it at Hillsborough or some other,  but the RFL could offer their national stadium.....for a cut of gate receipts. 

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13 minutes ago, HawkMan said:

Personally I'm 50/50 about the idea, but if it ever happened it could generate income. I'm thinking about other events it could stage, pop concerts for example, with RFL getting income from that. It could even stage big football matches for smaller local based teams if for example Harrogate get Man Utd in the cup. Yes if they wanted a bigger gate they could hold it at Hillsborough or some other,  but the RFL could offer their national stadium.....for a cut of gate receipts. 

Football clubs aren't allowed to move cup fixtures and the like any more.

Leeds would be the obvious candidate, particularly as Elland Road is clearly in need of major TLC (or knocking down...), but sadly the RFL not having the proverbial pot would of course be a huge issue.

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Is that time of year again? 😉 I think the only way a stand-alone national stadium could be financially viable long term is if it was similar to the Paris la Defence arena in being the nations biggest indoor venue which also has rugby played at it occasionally. 
 

Then in the winter months when RL isn’t being played can hoover up Christmas concerts, conferences, boxing, ufc, wrestling, darts etc which can’t take place at outdoor stadiums at that time of year and would get bigger returns for promoters then smaller arenas like Manchester, Sheffield etc. 

The almost definitely fatal flaw in this plan is the astronomical cost it would take to build. It would need massive outside investment who would expect juicy returns. 

 

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I think the national stadium should be situated between Neasden and Sudbury Hill. :kolobok_wink:

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Alt Park Huyton would be perfect. Could easily recoup the building costs through selling protection from fires and theft to those using the car park.

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2 hours ago, Just Browny said:

I think we are in danger of doing all of the close season threads before we even get to November. Have we done 'Cumbria for Super League' yet?

Up the Lakers 😂

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We have neither enough international games nor other event games to make it work.

You'd have maybe 2 semi finals (which would probably be a double header), the Championship Grand Final, the World Club Challenge and maybe about 3 internationals a year at best. You wouldn't move the cup final or Grand Final there because it'd likely be too small.

Until we get regular and guaranteed internationals, it just wouldn't be worth it. Better off doing what we're doing now or getting a cheaper bulk deal of events in one ground.

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39 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

We have neither enough international games nor other event games to make it work.

You'd have maybe 2 semi finals (which would probably be a double header), the Championship Grand Final, the World Club Challenge and maybe about 3 internationals a year at best. You wouldn't move the cup final or Grand Final there because it'd likely be too small.

Until we get regular and guaranteed internationals, it just wouldn't be worth it. Better off doing what we're doing now or getting a cheaper bulk deal of events in one ground.

With Elland Road's plans to become a 55k ground in the next few years it wouldn't be that small. 

I'd love RL to have a purpose built national stadium but that is definitely never going to happen. Lumping in with a ground expansion at Elland Road could be the best solution to ever achieving anything like. If the RFL could put up some cash and maybe local council/government got behind it from an RL perspective, their investment may allow them to negotiate strongly for their events and even turnover a decent profit from them. 

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2 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

With Elland Road's plans to become a 55k ground in the next few years it wouldn't be that small. 

I'd love RL to have a purpose built national stadium but that is definitely never going to happen. Lumping in with a ground expansion at Elland Road could be the best solution to ever achieving anything like. If the RFL could put up some cash and maybe local council/government got behind it from an RL perspective, their investment may allow them to negotiate strongly for their events and even turnover a decent profit from them. 

What would the benefit to the sport be though? The soccer club would retain presumably most of the benefits of ownership and we wouldn't have an anchor tenant of our own there. In the long run we'd maybe be saving on stadium hire costs for some games but that's only likely to be three or four maybe five times a year.

Stadium ownership is important to clubs where it gives them control and, if in the right location and built properly, supporting income streams. The governing body being minority owners of someone else's football ground is a much more marginal proposition. And there's also the question of why Leeds United would want to give up a share of their stadium. At least until they next go bust anyway.

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28 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said:

In all seriousness we are nowhere near as a sport to have one. Financial, maintenance, need. We need leadership and an upturn in revenue before this can happen.

The only way it could happen is if someone else pays for it - i.e. lottery/ northern powerhouse/ local council willing to stump up some money to have it built in their city. And it would still need an anchor tenant additional to the RFL to be viable.

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