Davo5 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 53 minutes ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said: Clubs who can’t afford to, or don’t want to, travel to Cornwall just once per year shouldn’t be in the semi-pro League One. Resign and join the NCL. It’s absolutely a reasonable decision to make if that’s the level on which you can comfortably operate, not judging at all (the travel costs are real, I get it), but for God’s sake don’t hang around here holding other people back. Even more importantly, whilst you make the decision about what sort of club you want to be, do us all a favour and stop running the game down with your negativity, and making the rest of us look like we share your embarrassing small-mindedness. The NCL wouldn’t want or have them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy King's Boots Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Exiled red said: Some sense at last. I've lived in Devon for 20 years and barely met anyone who watches RL, sadly. Union is the preferred sport and even then the attendances are abysmal. Cornwall has an ageing population, lots of poverty and dreadful transport links. Good luck because I think you'll need it. These are the things that need to be considered. Flying to Cornwall is easy - but then it takes 2 hours via three trains to get to Penryn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiffers Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, Billy King's Boots said: The belief that Cornwall is a 'hotbed of rugby' looks to be somewhat short of the truth. Second-Tier Union club Cornish Pirates have an average attendance of around 1,700. In the RFU's regionalised National League (tier four - the lowest tier I could find declaring attendances), the average attendance this year is 385. Cornwall's Redruth RFC have had that competition's highest attendance of the season so far: 907. Redruth/Camborne is the biggest urban centre in Cornwall with a combined population of 42,000. Penryn - hosts of the new Cornwall RL - play in the RFU's seventh tier. Their Memorial Ground (capacity 4,000 - 200 seats) is something of a super-stadium in the Western Counties West - a regionalised regional league, in which there are teams with ground capacities of under 1,000. Penryn don't declare attendances, but images from their games show sparse crowds. Eric Perez is gonna have to work hard to pull in the wider Cornish community. I think you're confusing 'hotbed of talent' with 'hotbed of attendances'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiffers Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Just now, Billy King's Boots said: These are the things that need to be considered. Flying to Cornwall is easy - but then it takes 2 hours via three trains to get to Penryn! Or one bus from Newquay to Penryn perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Est Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 6 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said: I remember attending a county championship rugby union final at Twickenham around 30 years ago What has that got to do with a Rugby League club allegedly launching in 2022? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Grand Est said: What has that got to do with a Rugby League club allegedly launching in 2022? The rest of the paragraph that you left out provided the relevance. Whether you agree with the point being made or not, it's pretty poor form to snip the post and then say it isn't relevant. 2 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled red Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, tiffers said: Or one bus from Newquay to Penryn perhaps. One bus an hour from the airport if you're lucky. Then one bus an hour from Newquay to wherever. I remember people laughing at me when I asked if I could get the train to Exeter Airport for a job interview. Outside of the tourist areas Cornwall is on it's ######. People aren't going to spend what little disposable income they have watching a sport they have no interest in. Any rugby talent gets hoovered up by the Chiefs same with Taunton and cricket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Est Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 7 hours ago, Scubby said: My guess is that they will sign half a dozen Queensland Cup level Australian players on full-time contracts and then build a team around them with locals and a few loans from SL clubs. That would make them reasonably competitive in League 1 pretty quickly IMO How do you get work permits for full time Australian players in League 1? I thought that was what caused the undoing of Celtic Crusaders a few years ago. They had to have guys on holiday visas as they couldn't get work permits? To me, it doesn't sound viable at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavin7094 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Devon Ram said: What you all haven't taking into account is the number of people from up north living in Devon/Cornwall, i went to a Rebels v Sharks game a few years ago at Redruth & was surprised by amount of fans with team shirts on Leeds, Saints, Wolves even somebody stood next to me with a Batley top on yes i was polite to him Lol. Lots of "people from up north" live in London too, and Nottingham and Southend... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavin7094 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Exiled red said: One bus an hour from the airport if you're lucky. Then one bus an hour from Newquay to wherever. I remember people laughing at me when I asked if I could get the train to Exeter Airport for a job interview. Outside of the tourist areas Cornwall is on it's ######. People aren't going to spend what little disposable income they have watching a sport they have no interest in. Any rugby talent gets hoovered up by the Chiefs same with Taunton and cricket. That's why I asked the question. Is there any evidence of interest in RL in this area? One assumes Perez has done his due diligence and has a viable plan. Relying on Northerners who live locally or summer holidaymakers to turn up doesn't make sense to me. I assume he has more than that? Edited November 3, 2021 by gavin7094 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Est Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, Dunbar said: The rest of the paragraph that you left out provided the relevance. Fair enough. Maybe I jumped the gun. I just re-read his whole paragraph and I still see zero relevance to Rugby League in 2022. Basically he went to a county rugby union match, over 30 years ago, and there was a lot of people from Cornwall there (30 years ago) and only a few from Yorkshire. And somehow this is meant to tell us that Cornwall could be the launchpad for Toronto Wolfpack 2.0??? WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 People not paying the bills can't just dismiss this concern. Let's assume Mick G is accurate (a silly assumption I know) - but the L1 clubs are seeing a reduction of c75%+ of their funding - and then having a new cost thrown on them - apparently without consultation. This kind of thing needs to be funded - the governing body needs to be providing the support here - the starting point to any decision needs to be how is it funded? That cannot be an afterthought. The clubs are absolutely right to be pushing back to the RFL here - and I hope it leads to them getting the funding. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled red Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, gavin7094 said: That's why I asked the question. Is there any evidence of interest in RL in this area? One assumes Perez has done his due diligence and has a viable plan. Relying on Northerners who live locally or summer holidaymakers to turn up doesn't make sense to me. I assume he has more than that? None, they'd be better off having a team at Dawlish Warren if that's the target market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfranco Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, Dave T said: People not paying the bills can't just dismiss this concern. Let's assume Mick G is accurate (a silly assumption I know) - but the L1 clubs are seeing a reduction of c75%+ of their funding - and then having a new cost thrown on them - apparently without consultation. This kind of thing needs to be funded - the governing body needs to be providing the support here - the starting point to any decision needs to be how is it funded? That cannot be an afterthought. The clubs are absolutely right to be pushing back to the RFL here - and I hope it leads to them getting the funding. You are spot on here, Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Scubby said: The two Cumbrian clubs moved out of League 1 in 2021 thus eliminating the longest road trips in RL No, that's not right, Whitehaven got promoted in 2019. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy King's Boots Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 59 minutes ago, tiffers said: I think you're confusing 'hotbed of talent' with 'hotbed of attendances'. No. Quite a few people have mentioned how 'Rugby' is huge in Cornwall. It isn't at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigan Riversider Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 It might have about as much chance of success as a SL team in Liverpool, however, give it a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy King's Boots Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, tiffers said: Or one bus from Newquay to Penryn perhaps. Doesn't look much better by bus. 40 minutes in a cab. Cost £56. Edited November 3, 2021 by Billy King's Boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 hours ago, gingerjon said: With all the usual caveats about source: Wow . If that’s right that would be crippling . It was a fight as it was . Getting to Cornwall would be the least of the clubs concerns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy King's Boots Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billy King's Boots said: Doesn't look much better by bus. 40 minutes in a cab. Cost £56. Worth noting that it takes longer to go from Newquay Airport to Penryn by public transport than it takes to drive from North Manchester to Workington! Edited November 3, 2021 by Billy King's Boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Billy King's Boots said: Only takes seven hours. Quicker to fly to Ottowa. And potentially 16 to get back if returning (well leaving Cornwall) the same day. £5.5k for a group of 25 players and staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy King's Boots Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: And potentially 16 to get back if returning (well leaving Cornwall) the same day. £5.5k for a group of 25 players and staff Hitting clubs with this level of cost after slashing funding seems wilfully punitive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: And potentially 16 to get back if returning (well leaving Cornwall) the same day. £5.5k for a group of 25 players and staff And that probably doesn't include the equipment. I had a quick scan at the flight options, there were some very interesting combinations on SkyScanner - flying via London, Dublin, Alicante and then Newquay Actually, that doesn't sound too bad tbh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: And potentially 16 to get back if returning (well leaving Cornwall) the same day. £5.5k for a group of 25 players and staff So you’ve established it’s too hard for you to bother attending any games,anything else to add ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 50 minutes ago, Dave T said: People not paying the bills can't just dismiss this concern. Let's assume Mick G is accurate (a silly assumption I know) - but the L1 clubs are seeing a reduction of c75%+ of their funding - and then having a new cost thrown on them - apparently without consultation. This kind of thing needs to be funded - the governing body needs to be providing the support here - the starting point to any decision needs to be how is it funded? That cannot be an afterthought. The clubs are absolutely right to be pushing back to the RFL here - and I hope it leads to them getting the funding. I wanted to write something similar but you have written it far better than I would have done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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