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1 hour ago, dkw said:

Gotta start somewhere, why not as early as possible and build into it. RL fans seem to always aim for the now, these clubs should be getting as much encouragement as possible from everyone with a long term view and some patience. Seeing people whining about them not having everything in place minutes after they came into existence is pathetic, but unfortunately entirely expected.

It must be pretty disconcerting when newcomers and new fans to the RL 'family' are met with having to justify themselves and are met with downright hostility. We saw it on here with Toronto fans, many of which just stopped posting here as a result, and now we see the same kind of replies to Cornwall fans who are trying to be as open and honest as possible when answering questions.

Cornwall may work out, it may not but if it doesn't it certainly isn't the end of the world to anyone on this forum. You wouldn't think it though reading some people's posts.

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22 hours ago, Damien said:

It must be pretty disconcerting when newcomers and new fans to the RL 'family' are met with having to justify themselves and are met with downright hostility. We saw it on here with Toronto fans, many of which just stopped posting here as a result, and now we see the same kind of replies to Cornwall fans who are trying to be as open and honest as possible when answering questions. Cornwall may work out, it may not but if it doesn't it certainly isn't the end of the world to anyone on this forum. You wouldn't think it though reading some people's posts.

There's no "downright hostility" Damien, people may become sceptical if there is nothing tangible to back up claims of a new RL force in Cornwall. A couple of Cornwall fans didn't seem able to answer the key question about players, add to that Mr Perez and his record, and no wonder we are where we are in the discussion  BUT It didn't take long to find this on the Internet.....

"Cornwall RLFC have committed to offer at least ten paid contracts to Cornish or Cornwall-based athletes for the 2022 Betfred League 1 season as they prepare to assemble their first official squad. They are set to hold trials in December and have invited interested athletes to send a playing CV and match footage to info@cornwallrlfc.co.uk. "As part of our club's Cornwall-first policy, we want to ensure that the bulk of our squad is made up of Cornish athletes. Rugby League is one of the toughest, most exciting sports on the planet. It requires strength, skill, bravery, and athleticism. Cornwall RLFC believe these are qualities Cornish athletes have in abundance." 

And so the fact is potential players are applying for the trials, and these will be sometime this month. I then assume after the Xmas break the players that make the cut will start training and there will be the addition of seasoned RL players  and whatever overseas players the rules allow. Why lurch towards a big argument when the information is out there??

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1 hour ago, steve oates said:

There's no "downright hostility" Damien, people may become sceptical if there is nothing tangible to back up claims of a new RL force in Cornwall. A couple of Cornwall fans didn't seem able to answer the key question about players, add to that Mr Perez and his record, and no wonder we are where we are in the discussion  BUT It didn't take long to find this on the Internet.....

"Cornwall RLFC have committed to offer at least ten paid contracts to Cornish or Cornwall-based athletes for the 2022 Betfred League 1 season as they prepare to assemble their first official squad. They are set to hold trials in December and have invited interested athletes to send a playing CV and match footage to info@cornwallrlfc.co.uk. "As part of our club's Cornwall-first policy, we want to ensure that the bulk of our squad is made up of Cornish athletes. Rugby League is one of the toughest, most exciting sports on the planet. It requires strength, skill, bravery, and athleticism. Cornwall RLFC believe these are qualities Cornish athletes have in abundance." 

And so the fact is potential players are applying for the trials, and these will be sometime this month. I then assume after the Xmas break the players that make the cut will start training and there will be the addition of seasoned RL players  and whatever overseas players the rules allow. Why lurch towards a big argument when the information is out there??

We've seen it all before Steve, every new club takes the same path especially the ones perceived as a threat in some way. You cant have been on this forum for very long if you haven't witnessed this. That is why we end up with one combined Cornwall thread, one Toronto thread, one Toulouse thread etc while we can have several different ones created in a day for Leigh or Wakefield. It's embarrassing at times and I've seen countless good contributors to this forum disappear as a result.

Its not up to Cornwall fans on here to justify what the club is doing or having to justify what their role and occupation is just because they try to answer questions to the best of their ability. As you say the information you quote has been there for quite some time and was posted on here ages ago. That hasn't satisfied those who only wish to criticise though. So like you say maybe you should be asking those that are criticising why the big argument.

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On 02/12/2021 at 10:14, Damien said:

It must be pretty disconcerting when newcomers and new fans to the RL 'family' are met with having to justify themselves and are met with downright hostility.

32 minutes ago, Damien said:

That hasn't satisfied those who only wish to criticise though. So like you say maybe you should be asking those that are criticising why the big argument.

I don't think this is a fair reflection of this thread. I get what you're saying about the likes of Toronto etc, but I haven't seen any hostility on this thread. I've seen a lot of scepticism (none moreso than from myself) because I think a lot of people are genuinely intrigued as to how this is all going to play out and are keen for more information. At the end of the day, this is an online discussion forum, and people are just discussing what is an intriguing project. Surely you wouldn't want to the forum to be an echo chamber where everybody is just cheerleading with the exact same opinion?

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9 minutes ago, RugbyLeagueGeek said:

I don't think this is a fair reflection of this thread. I get what you're saying about the likes of Toronto etc, but I haven't seen any hostility on this thread. I've seen a lot of scepticism (none moreso than from myself) because I think a lot of people are genuinely intrigued as to how this is all going to play out and are keen for more information. At the end of the day, this is an online discussion forum, and people are just discussing what is an intriguing project. Surely you wouldn't want to the forum to be an echo chamber where everybody is just cheerleading with the exact same opinion?

Of course I wouldn't. However when that becomes personal abuse as was directed at Christian B on the last page for having the temerity to try and answer questions, and which has since been deleted, then that crosses the line. I would certainly classify that as hostility. The mods do a damn fine job of keeping on top of things so perhaps that's why you don't see it.

Anyhow I do agree with your general point but there is a great deal of difference between scepticism and constructive criticism and some of what we see.

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4 minutes ago, Damien said:

However when that becomes personal abuse as was directed at Christian B on the last page for having the temerity to try and answer questions, and which has since been deleted, then that crosses the line. I would certainly classify that as hostility. The mods do a damn fine job of keeping on top of things so perhaps that's why you don't see it.

I hadn't seen that, and that is very disappointing. As you say, there's no need for any of that and it would no doubt be very dispiriting for newcomers to the game. But from the posts I've read on this thread (which is 35 pages long now) there has been mainly scepticism and constructive criticism, rather than hostility. And literally all of the available evidence should tell us to be very sceptical of another expansion project - the common theme with all of them is that are invariably under-funded and under-resourced. It would be fantastic for the game to have a new, successful club in Cornwall, but every single pro expansion club that started in the last decade has either disappeared or relocated.

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This forum is saintly and good compared to the cesspit of social media, some of the things written about and at Cornwall RL is embarrassing for the sport, and makes a mockery of our claim to be all inclusive and friendly.

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On 03/12/2021 at 17:21, ChristianB said:

I completely understand why there may be impatience in some quarters. But, seriously, just hold on for details soon (I simply do not know when that will be, less so even allude to who or what.)

 

Is no news, good news, or bad news?

I'm starved of the rumour, gossip, fancy and fiction, let alone the facts.

Please keep feeding your contingent of genuine well wishers?

We all want you to succeed but this craving needs some frequent relief.

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12 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

Is no news, good news, or bad news?

I'm starved of the rumour, gossip, fancy and fiction, let alone the facts.

Please keep feeding your contingent of genuine well wishers?

We all want you to succeed but this craving needs some frequent relief.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you will have something tasty - an amuse bouche, shall we call it - to satiate your appetite very soon. Probably.

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1 hour ago, ChristianB said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you will have something tasty - an amuse bouche, shall we call it - to satiate your appetite very soon. Probably.

 

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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1 hour ago, fighting irish said:

Is no news, good news, or bad news?

I'm starved of the rumour, gossip, fancy and fiction, let alone the facts.

Please keep feeding your contingent of genuine well wishers?

We all want you to succeed but this craving needs some frequent relief.

My Father has told me of when Fulham RLFC started there was no player signatures announced, other than Reg Bowden, they nicked about half the Widnes side, and trained up north, and only went to London on match days, he asks, was Ian Van Bellen the only Londoner?

That was 41 years ago. 1980. There is still animosity in the League fans ranks against them, so we shall slowly build.

Nothing new in RL.

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33 minutes ago, CornwallRL said:

My Father has told me of when Fulham RLFC started there was no player signatures announced, other than Reg Bowden, they nicked about half the Widnes side, and trained up north, and only went to London on match days, 

These tales usually end with "and look at them now".

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2 hours ago, CornwallRL said:

My Father has told me of when Fulham RLFC started there was no player signatures announced, other than Reg Bowden, they nicked about half the Widnes side, and trained up north, and only went to London on match days, he asks, was Ian Van Bellen the only Londoner?

That was 41 years ago. 1980. There is still animosity in the League fans ranks against them, so we shall slowly build.

Nothing new in RL.

Ian van Bellen was a Yorkshireman from Huddersfield who we signed from Bradford Northern as they were then. Out of the initial 17 players signed, 5 were from Widnes.

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1 hour ago, Chronicler of Chiswick said:

Ian van Bellen was a Yorkshireman from Huddersfield who we signed from Bradford Northern as they were then. Out of the initial 17 players signed, 5 were from Widnes.

And 3 from Workington, though only 1 was a Cumbrian.

I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally

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10 minutes ago, Waynebennettswinger said:

Is it Jethro? 

In all seriousness, I wish Cornwall great success and hope that they pull everything together in time.

If I was a betting man I would say Brian Noble.

There weren’t any next Cornwall manager odds on Betfair but I’d have had a tenner on him if there were. 

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