Cricket - Matches & General Discussion Thread

[Futtocks]

1 minute ago, ckn said:

That... was frankly stupid by Stokes.

He made a right Helen Hurford of that.

[DavidM]

1 hour ago, ckn said:

That... was frankly stupid by Stokes.

I understand and applaud positive cricket but I think you do need to be smart with it , and also if Stokes is gonna bat like that every time in Tests now ( which it looks ) you do think he’s a lot better than that . Certainly going to be very watchable anyway

[gingerjon]

47 minutes ago, DavidM said:

I understand and applaud positive cricket but I think you do need to be smart with it , and also if Stokes is gonna bat like that every time in Tests now ( which it looks ) you do think he’s a lot better than that . Certainly going to be very watchable anyway

Yes, it was a poorly executed shot. And it was always going to be poorly executed because it was the wrong shot to be playing.

The even bigger downside is that his poor decision making was able to give Vaughan and Agnew (a vile pairing when together on TMS) a chance to get in their snide told-you-so's on air.

[Futtocks]

Bairstow and Overton seem to have settled the ship a bit since.

[DavidM]

That first spell by Boult btw , just outstanding . Then more Test cricket in the ‘ we’ve got the best white  ball side so we’re gonna play like that ‘ style 

[gingerjon]

2 hours ago, DavidM said:

That first spell by Boult btw , just outstanding . Then more Test cricket in the ‘ we’ve got the best white  ball side so we’re gonna play like that ‘ style 

Have to say I'm enjoying it.

It may not work long term but it's not about long term (yet). I don't think I've seen Test cricket so completely reinvented the way England have done it in the past two Tests. It's not just the runs - although that's integral - it's that it doesn't allow the fielding side to settle into any of the normal rhythms of the match.

[DavidM]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

Have to say I'm enjoying it.

It may not work long term but it's not about long term (yet). I don't think I've seen Test cricket so completely reinvented the way England have done it in the past two Tests. It's not just the runs - although that's integral - it's that it doesn't allow the fielding side to settle into any of the normal rhythms of the match.

Indeed , and we spent a couple of years watching Sibley and coaching by Silverwood 

[phiggins]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

Have to say I'm enjoying it.

It may not work long term but it's not about long term (yet). I don't think I've seen Test cricket so completely reinvented the way England have done it in the past two Tests. It's not just the runs - although that's integral - it's that it doesn't allow the fielding side to settle into any of the normal rhythms of the match.

I’m all for it, but they have to use their brains sometimes. Both Crawley and Pope were pretty loose against Boult, and as for Stokes. No problem with him trying to hit every ball for six, but not keen on him trying to hit the ball over a slightly deeper mid off that’s just been put there. Especially when it was angling into his pads and he probably could’ve hit it for miles over mid wicket. Issue isn’t the intent, it’s just poor shot selection.

Meanwhile, Lancs snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, with Rob Jones stealing the strike off Tim David for the majority of the last 4 overs. While new ball bowler Tom Bailey comes into the team to replace Parkinson and bowl 1 over. Some bizarre team selection. 

[THE RED ROOSTER]

A remarkable day yesterday so what is in store today ?

Some quick points;

• I think most people prefer a proactive than passive approach to batting. It is however a question of choosing the right ball to hit rather than treating the game as if in the clsing stages of a T20 game.
• Zak Crawley has the second innings and the India Test to save his test career
• Ollie Pope is doing a Crawley by playing one innings per series and may be under pressure soon.
• Like Jack Leach and his 92 against Ireland in 2019, Jamie Overton is actually in the side for his bowling not his batting. Overton will be a better bet on hard Aussie and Sub continental pitches than slow and seaming Headingley.
• I am no fan of Jack Leach but it would be churlish not to say he had a good first innings.
• Trent Boult showing the value of a quality left arm seamer, something England are looking for with the left armers taken to the Netherlands for the ODI series having the rule run over them. Expect to see Sam Curran back in red ball cricket before long.
• We are seeing the end of Tim Southee and possibly some other Kiwi's as Brendan McCullum's old side now breaks up.
• If England get to parity, the pressure is on the Kiwis in the third innings. In all three test matches they could argue the game has sliped from their grasp.

The origins of "Bazball". Again this time in the red ball format, England are copying New Zealand. It is part of NZ Cricket's mantra that they are the entertainers and sell the game to the public. How many for example, know that the woman whose pint was spilled by a six had a replacement pint bought for her by the NZ team. The Kiwis engage with their public as now do England with Jonny B visiting the Western Terrace on getting to 100. With England it's no longer "the Australian way" but it is "the New Zealand way".

 

 

[GUBRATS]

Just watched the drone shot of Headingley , the rugby pitch doesn't look too healthy 

[gingerjon]

15 hours ago, phiggins said:

I’m all for it, but they have to use their brains sometimes. Both Crawley and Pope were pretty loose against Boult, and as for Stokes. No problem with him trying to hit every ball for six, but not keen on him trying to hit the ball over a slightly deeper mid off that’s just been put there. Especially when it was angling into his pads and he probably could’ve hit it for miles over mid wicket. Issue isn’t the intent, it’s just poor shot selection.

Yes, I think with some players we're seeing technical limits that have been there regardless. The dour twosome on TMS were droning on about how England can't play this way if they're going to end up 50-4 and I was thinking: but England have routinely been 50-4 and a lot of that is because the same players keep making the same errors so there's no real change there.

What they appear to be doing is working to build a set-up which addresses how to respond to those kind of situations.

It's pretty much up to the ECB to sort out the pathways that mean that players coming through have the technique and shot understanding.

[gingerjon]

GOOD - Free to enter for day 5 at Headingley tomorrow.

BAD - A whole summer of frankly weird scheduling gets another example as Monday is also the first day of the only women's Test of the season. It takes a special skill to arrange the only Test to be Monday-Friday during term time *and* overlap it with a men's game.

[DavidM]

The whole ‘ can we have the ball changed please ump ‘ routine has gone beyond mildly irritating . 

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, DavidM said:

The whole ‘ can we have the ball changed please ump ‘ routine has gone beyond mildly irritating . 

The players are overeggjng it but there does seem to be an issue (or several issues) with the ECB balls this year. Apparently also replicated in the championship.

[Futtocks]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

The players are overeggjng it but there does seem to be an issue (or several issues) with the ECB balls this year. Apparently also replicated in the championship.

There was some talk on TMS that the regular ball-stitcher retired at the manufacturers, and the replacement wasn't doing such a neat and long-lasting job.

[DavidM]

2 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

There was some talk on TMS that the regular ball-stitcher retired at the manufacturers, and the replacement wasn't doing such a neat and long-lasting job.

They were talking on telly about substandard leather as well and letting staff go due to Covid . Dukes are investigating it all though as it’s not great 

[phiggins]

Umpires may as well do a quick check at the end of each over, or after every 5 overs. And then ban players from asking for it to be changed 

[gingerjon]

8 hours ago, phiggins said:

Umpires may as well do a quick check at the end of each over, or after every 5 overs. And then ban players from asking for it to be changed 

Bit like with appealing for the light.

[DavidM]

Here we go again … and each time they really haven’t known what to do . Almost as if this is so unusual in Tests they can’t figure it out . Tremendous viewing , credit this new set up and no mistake . If they’re scrambled it’s us that’s scrambled them . Excellent series really enjoyed it 

Edited June 27, 2022 by DavidM

[Futtocks]

Whitewash achieved, and in a really entertaining series too.

[DavidM]

10 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Whitewash achieved, and in a really entertaining series too.

It will be interesting when they’re batting first on day 1 . Maybe against India ? Fascinating and interesting times looking forward 

[Futtocks]

3 hours ago, DavidM said:

It will be interesting when they’re batting first on day 1 . Maybe against India ? Fascinating and interesting times looking forward 

It may end up being a results roller-coaster, but it won't be dull.

[gingerjon]

On 27/06/2022 at 18:15, Futtocks said:

It may end up being a results roller-coaster, but it won't be dull.

Looks, potentially, like being a damp few days but hopefully, unlike the four-day women's Test, the weather won't be the decisive factor.

Also, a rare 10.30am start. Presumably to make it slightly more appealing to Indian TV.

[17 stone giant]

Really enjoyed the Test series against New Zealand. Some cracking entertainment. Looking forward to the Test against India. Hopefully England can keep the good run going and level the series.

[John Drake]

13 hours ago, Wolford6 said:

Hooray for Andrew Gale. Tells it like it is.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/yorkshire-gale-rafiq-racism-ecb-27356793

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/yorkshire-racism-crisis-i-have-moved-on-with-my-life-andrew-gale-refuses-to-defend-ecb-racism-charge-1322293

 

This belongs in t'other thread dedicated to that particular topic, but unfortunately the forum doesn't allow me to move single posts into different threads these days, so please feel free to repost it in there:

https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php?/topic/317456-cricket-yorkshire-ccc-racism/#comment-3767492

This thread is specifically for discussing on-field action rather than off-field issues/controversies.

Thanks.