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6 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Increased Commercial income to increase the budget so as not to be a basement dweller has to help increase the crowds.  Come charging out the gates next year.  Tap into those sponsors  bit of momentum...

If you say so 

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6 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Increased Commercial income to increase the budget so as not to be a basement dweller has to help increase the crowds.  Come charging out the gates next year.  Tap into those sponsors  bit of momentum...

It just doesn't work like that. Similar to Bradford, the club is being run like a corner shop organisation. You cannot snap out of that mentality without changing the shopkeeper to someone with drive and vision.

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1 hour ago, Scubby said:

3166 at Wakefield. Trinity really are that drunken uncle of Super League. 

Good job Bradford arent still playing at Dewsbury or Trinity couldve been the 4th biggest club in a Wakefield postcode this year.

FWIW, I think there’s a lot of untapped potential in Wakefield, and I know there’s a lot of optimism around the new stand, but considering how few people were sat in the seats tonight i’m not convinced it will make a huge difference. In fact it might just make the place look even emptier.

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33 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

You just told me on the other thread Wakey were miles ahead of clubs in Championship.  Now we shouldnt expect more than sub 4k?  Pick one mate. 

They are a SL club so are miles ahead, admittedly, their ground is a tip and the support isn't the best, but they're still miles ahead of York and Newcastle.

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1 minute ago, Scubby said:

It just doesn't work like that. Similar to Bradford, the club is being run like a corner shop organisation. You cannot snap out of that mentality without changing the shopkeeper to someone with drive and vision.

True there has to be a figurehead with a bit of positivity but Wakey are getting their ducks in a row 

 Bulls are condemned to irrelevance until I win the Euromillions or a new stadium falls out of the sky. 

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Just now, meast said:

They are a SL club so are miles ahead, admittedly, their ground is a tip and the support isn't the best, but they're still miles ahead of York and Newcastle.

So by your own arguement nothing to do with the club but the league. So not miles ahead,  merely propped up. 

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4 minutes ago, fevtom said:

Good job Bradford arent still playing at Dewsbury or Trinity couldve been the 4th biggest club in a Wakefield postcode this year.

FWIW, I think there’s a lot of untapped potential in Wakefield, and I know there’s a lot of optimism around the new stand, but considering how few people were sat in the seats tonight i’m not convinced it will make a huge difference. In fact it might just make the place look even emptier.

The untapped potential is the people who might actually sit in the seats and eat a few prawn sarnies. Wakefield like anywhere has pockets of affluent areas - the club just makes itself completely unappealing to that demographic. It is a completely wasted opportunity - a city with one major sports club holding its name.

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2 minutes ago, fevtom said:

Good job Bradford arent still playing at Dewsbury or Trinity couldve been the 4th biggest club in a Wakefield postcode this year.

FWIW, I think there’s a lot of untapped potential in Wakefield, and I know there’s a lot of optimism around the new stand, but considering how few people were sat in the seats tonight i’m not convinced it will make a huge difference. In fact it might just make the place look even emptier.

It also shows how people massively overestimate the impact coaches have relative to budget.  Sometimes there are some outliers but over a season budget is vastly more important than the coach. 

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Just now, Scubby said:

The untapped potential is the people who might actually sit in the seats and eat a few prawn sarnies. Wakefield like anywhere has pockets of affluent areas - the club just makes itself completely unappealing to that demographic. It is a completely wasted opportunity - a city with one major sports club called Wakefield.

With a great mascot. 

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2 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

So by your own arguement nothing to do with the club but the league. So not miles ahead,  merely propped up. 

If you removed Wakefield from SL next week and replaced them with an average championship side, would they immediately be better than Wakefield in every aspect?

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2 minutes ago, meast said:

If you removed Wakefield from SL next week and replaced them with an average championship side, would they immediately be better than Wakefield in every aspect?

Nope but I didnt suggest your straw man. You really dont understand what adding two teams means do you? 12+2 means you dont subtract, you add. 

But I will bite.  Leigh ( barred from an academy) and Fev would be just as good attendance wise .  I'd wager York or Newcaste would commercially outperform where Wakey are now. 

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3 minutes ago, Scubby said:

The untapped potential is the people who might actually sit in the seats and eat a few prawn sarnies. Wakefield like anywhere has pockets of affluent areas - the club just makes itself completely unappealing to that demographic. It is a completely wasted opportunity - a city with one major sports club called Wakefield.

You’re right, and I doubt one decent stand will bring the prawn sandwich brigade to an otherwise dilapidated ground, but I think there’s also a difference among the working class supporters. The lads I grew up with who played the game around Cas / Fev are still massively involved with the clubs, whereas all of the lads I played rugby with at 15/16 in Wakey seemed to grow apathetic towards the game.
 

Perhaps the smaller towns just have an advantage when theyre over represented at  the top level of sport and Wakefield are in the awkward position of being a medium sized city playing a medium sized sport.

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2 minutes ago, Dallas Mead said:

Swap Wakefield’s 3,500 then for Leigh’s 3,000 and progress the sport how exactly? 500 fans and a train station down? 🤷‍♂️

Leigh averaged 6000 in SL in last proper season they were in there.  Again this zero sum game at 12 leads to this reductive thinking . 

I hope the new stadium transforms Wakey but thats no reason to lock out others to protect them.

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3 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

I'll note that when York were on tv in the freezing cold of Monday vs Fev they got 3602.  So already better than Wakey. 

To be fair (and I have big hopes for York) that was the first game of the season and there was a massive away following.
 

They then had a gate of 1,562 against Dewsbury and then around 2,000 for two of their biggest games of the season against Leigh and Widnes. Since then they’ve refused to announce their attendances.

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46 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Leigh averaged 6000 in SL in last proper season they were in there.  Again this zero sum game at 12 leads to this reductive thinking . 

I hope the new stadium transforms Wakey but thats no reason to lock out others to protect them.

they aren't getting a new stadium just a new stand, the view of the rest of it will still be as bad just from higher up and in newer shinier seats. 

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6 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

I'll note that when York were on tv in the freezing cold of Monday vs Fev they got 3602.  So already better than Wakey. 

All the talk is of either Leigh or Featherstone getting promoted, I’d love it if York sneaked in under the radar and won promotion this year. The new dual registration deal with Leeds could help if Leeds can get over the injury crisis.

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6 hours ago, fevtom said:

To be fair (and I have big hopes for York) that was the first game of the season and there was a massive away following.
 

They then had a gate of 1,562 against Dewsbury and then around 2,000 for two of their biggest games of the season against Leigh and Widnes. Since then they’ve refused to announce their attendances.

Think they are not in agreement with the smc about figures. And True about first game but keep being told they are miles away when in reality seems they would do no worse than Wakey. 

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5 hours ago, daz39 said:

they aren't getting a new stadium just a new stand, the view of the rest of it will still be as bad just from higher up and in newer shinier seats. 

A new stadium with modern facilities to attract greater income to be more competitive, which will go a long way to aiding the experience.

Its the first of one developement as i understood it. Isnt there anyone else who thinks that crowds and income will grow for Wakey with the new stand? 

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31 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

All the talk is of either Leigh or Featherstone getting promoted, I’d love it if York sneaked in under the radar and won promotion this year. The new dual registration deal with Leeds could help if Leeds can get over the injury crisis.

Cant see it myself but will be happy with any provided it isnt at Toulouse's expense.

Plus gap between Broncos and Toulouse was bigger than York and Fev.  One off games,  who knows?   

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There are some contradictions knocking around on here. 

We've spent the last 25 years berating Wakefield for their ground, and are now saying that even an improved ground would be unlikely to attract bigger crowds and corporates. So why are we bothered about the ground then?

In reality, Wakefield v Hudds on a Thursday night in an absolute dump for £25 when you can watch it on TV is a really tough sell for anyone. I cannot accept that there would be little upside in that same offering in better facilities. I accept the point that for Wakefield to realise their potential it may take very different leaders, but even on a basic level, if we believe facilities are important then we have to see growth on that number with improved facilities.

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