Jump to content

Attendances (Multiple Merged Threads)


Recommended Posts

4 minutes ago, theswanmcr said:

Is that you’re only take on that? My point was that because Salford have a new stadium - and therefore to some on here they should automatically be a huge success - they get way more attention on attendances than other clubs.

Oddly, every club's supporters on here seem to think their club gets called out for things far more than every other club.

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

Link to comment
Share on other sites


7 minutes ago, theswanmcr said:

Good point on corporates - we always played Friday nights at Willows for this. Of course the AJ Bell is good for these facilities and Ray C may have more idea on hospitality revenues

I've been fortunate to use the facilities a number of times. It has always been good experience from arrival/ease of parking, welcome at reception and the dinner, etc.  Better than many others.

Its a good margin if the club is getting the revenue and of course is a more elastic revenue - that is able to more easily increase the cost and hence profit.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, theswanmcr said:

Is that you’re only take on that? My point was that because Salford have a new stadium - and therefore to some on here they should automatically be a huge success - they get way more attention on attendances than other clubs.

My challenge is that they don't, you are just sensitive to it. 

Attendances are discussed for all clubs, in fact we are discussing this on a 37 page thread called attendances. To suggest that Wakefield get an easy ride is just bang wrong, they get plenty of criticism about their stadium and crowds.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Dave T said:

My challenge is that they don't, you are just sensitive to it. 

Attendances are discussed for all clubs, in fact we are discussing this on a 37 page thread called attendances. To suggest that Wakefield get an easy ride is just bang wrong, they get plenty of criticism about their stadium and crowds.

Yes I probably am more sensitive to it - however Salford’s crowds have always been rubbish compared to the ‘big’ clubs so it’s really nothing new.

One or two criticising Salford for a 4K crowd, and doing a false comparison with Sale’s crowds, is old news. And actually I don’t want to, and shouldn’t have, stuck the boot in on Wakefield either. We need to look at individual club circumstances to see what warrants a good crowd eg Cas did a brilliant job of getting 10k for their opener.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 hours ago, Ray Cashmere said:

‘Likely’?! Please submit your business plan to Paul King as I’m sure he’d love to know how to get 10,000 fans ‘likely’ attending Salford games. 
 

If you want a good-faith discussion on the viability of our various stadium options then please direct this to the Moor Lane thread so as not to pollute the attendances thread further. 
 

However, your obsession with capacity and complete ignorance of geography does not suggest you understand the crux of the discussion amongst Salford fans re AJ Bell/Moor Lane. 
 

I’ll leave it at that 

Salford have 13 games this season. If they average 4,000 that's 52,000 people. If there is an average of 1,000 away fans per game than that leaves 39,000 home supporters across a season. I think it's pretty reasonable as an educated guess to suggest that it is around 10,000 individuals. Regardless, it doesn't really matter whether it's 8,000 or 15,000, my point remains. Asking fans at a fans forum is like taking a poll of fans who go to away games, they are actually only a very specific type of fan and not one that is likely to be crucial when it comes to long-term viability.

As I stated in the previous post, Moor Lane might be the only real option for Salford and if that's the case then so be it, but it doesn't mean that it is likely to work with regards to Salford continuing to be a SL club.

My only real criticism on this thread has been around the logic people use when talking about moving 4,000 fans from a 12,000 stadium into a 5,000 stadium. There is this naive assumption that you can do so without losing any fans in the process. I've demonstrated two concrete examples where this logic was used prior to the event and ended up back-firing. I'd at least like those who have used this argument (and there are many on the Moor Lane thread) to address why they think it has failed in the past, and why they think Moor Lane would be an exception.

Judging by your last line, I assume that your personal judgement is based on a larger number of existing fans being able/willing to attend at Moor Lane in contrast to the idea of transferring the same 4,000 from AJ to Moor Lane. However, even when the much-easier to attend Willows was in existence, attendances were not much better. If the same thing happens with my prior examples, and a move to a 5k stadium actually sees a drop in attendance this could end up being a worse scenario.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Maximus Decimus said:

Salford have 13 games this season. If they average 4,000 that's 52,000 people. If there is an average of 1,000 away fans per game than that leaves 39,000 home supporters across a season. I think it's pretty reasonable as an educated guess to suggest that it is around 10,000 individuals. Regardless, it doesn't really matter whether it's 8,000 or 15,000, my point remains. Asking fans at a fans forum is like taking a poll of fans who go to away games, they are actually only a very specific type of fan and not one that is likely to be crucial when it comes to long-term viability.

As I stated in the previous post, Moor Lane might be the only real option for Salford and if that's the case then so be it, but it doesn't mean that it is likely to work with regards to Salford continuing to be a SL club.

My only real criticism on this thread has been around the logic people use when talking about moving 4,000 fans from a 12,000 stadium into a 5,000 stadium. There is this naive assumption that you can do so without losing any fans in the process. I've demonstrated two concrete examples where this logic was used prior to the event and ended up back-firing. I'd at least like those who have used this argument (and there are many on the Moor Lane thread) to address why they think it has failed in the past, and why they think Moor Lane would be an exception.

Judging by your last line, I assume that your personal judgement is based on a larger number of existing fans being able/willing to attend at Moor Lane in contrast to the idea of transferring the same 4,000 from AJ to Moor Lane. However, even when the much-easier to attend Willows was in existence, attendances were not much better. If the same thing happens with my prior examples, and a move to a 5k stadium actually sees a drop in attendance this could end up being a worse scenario.

We can go round and round on this… and you may have a point about moving crowds to a lower capacity stadium, and the lack of growth opportunities etc, but the truth is this - we may no choice. If we don’t have the crowds to pay the rent then we’re out and need to look elsewhere (or were out of existence)

I think most Salford fans are trying to look on the bright side of an imperfect position. If we get better crowds this year then there is some leverage along with petitions etc to try and stay. If it is a move to Moor Lane then we know it is not big enough and not quite SL standard (8.5k like at York would be perfect) so hoping to look to expand if possible.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

Salford have 13 games this season. If they average 4,000 that's 52,000 people. If there is an average of 1,000 away fans per game than that leaves 39,000 home supporters across a season. I think it's pretty reasonable as an educated guess to suggest that it is around 10,000 individuals. Regardless, it doesn't really matter whether it's 8,000 or 15,000, my point remains. Asking fans at a fans forum is like taking a poll of fans who go to away games, they are actually only a very specific type of fan and not one that is likely to be crucial when it comes to long-term viability.

As I stated in the previous post, Moor Lane might be the only real option for Salford and if that's the case then so be it, but it doesn't mean that it is likely to work with regards to Salford continuing to be a SL club.

My only real criticism on this thread has been around the logic people use when talking about moving 4,000 fans from a 12,000 stadium into a 5,000 stadium. There is this naive assumption that you can do so without losing any fans in the process. I've demonstrated two concrete examples where this logic was used prior to the event and ended up back-firing. I'd at least like those who have used this argument (and there are many on the Moor Lane thread) to address why they think it has failed in the past, and why they think Moor Lane would be an exception.

Judging by your last line, I assume that your personal judgement is based on a larger number of existing fans being able/willing to attend at Moor Lane in contrast to the idea of transferring the same 4,000 from AJ to Moor Lane. However, even when the much-easier to attend Willows was in existence, attendances were not much better. If the same thing happens with my prior examples, and a move to a 5k stadium actually sees a drop in attendance this could end up being a worse scenario.

I understand your concerns but the Ashes analogy that you used isn’t appropriate. People going to the Ashes will travel long distances and many will want to go to big events in big stadiums. We know that many Salford fans think the stadium is in a rubbish location plus is a rubbish fan experience and don’t go for those reasons, so a stadium in a better location isn’t necessarily going to get lower crowds, even if it is smaller. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Eddie said:

I understand your concerns but the Ashes analogy that you used isn’t appropriate. People going to the Ashes will travel long distances and many will want to go to big events in big stadiums. We know that many Salford fans think the stadium is in a rubbish location plus is a rubbish fan experience and don’t go for those reasons, so a stadium in a better location isn’t necessarily going to get lower crowds, even if it is smaller. 

They also did the same with the CC semi-final with two teams that were very local to Widnes which is an event largely attended by supporters. There was something about the fact that the event wasn't going to be in as big a stadium (not even a particularly impressive one) that really put a large number of fans off attending. It was controversial at the time and I'm sure that controversy and seeming lack of ambition, meant a number decided against it.

The fact that the AJ is a rubbish experience is a good point, but if/when the move is announced it might be similarly controversial as it would be seen as signifying a lack of ambition and even an admittance of decline. A number of diehard regular attendees might be all up for it, but the less regular fans might decide they're not going to bother. I hope not, I genuinely hope it works out and I'm wrong but my gut (from a lifetime of following RL!) says that it will likely result in even fewer fans and then Salford will have backed themselves into a corner.

As has been pointed out many times though, the long-term damage was essentially done when the AJ Bell move was botched and they might have no option but to try Moor Lane to survive as a club full stop. Whether that will be as a SL club is the real question.

Edited by Maximus Decimus
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Josef K said:

I apologise if this has been mentioned before, but why are Wigan playing tonight if they are not on Sky. 

Presumably because Wigan Athletic are home on Saturday.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, Josef K said:

This is my guess at the SL’s attendances for this week. 

Leeds/Catalans 9700

Wigan/Huddersfield 9,500

HKR/Cas 7,200

Saints/Wakey 8,900

Hull/Salford 11,000

Toulouse/wire 4,800

Leeds tend to get quite good crowds against Catalans tbf

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, Josef K said:

This is my guess at the SL’s attendances for this week. 

Leeds/Catalans 9700

Wigan/Huddersfield 9,500

HKR/Cas 7,200

Saints/Wakey 8,900

Hull/Salford 11,000

Toulouse/wire 4,800

I think (and hope) those are very low considering the last two weeks’ crowds. 
 

Leeds 11k

Wigan 11k

HKR 8.5k

Saints 10.5k

Hull 10.5k

Toulouse 5k (not sure if bars are open now)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, Eddie said:

I think (and hope) those are very low considering the last two weeks’ crowds. 
 

Leeds 11k

Wigan 11k

HKR 8.5k

Saints 10.5k

Hull 10.5k

Toulouse 5k (not sure if bars are open now)

I know Eddie i was thinking of the freezing weather again. I don’t blame any fans if they don’t turn out, if i didn’t have a season ticket i think id give the Saints game a miss. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

10,200 my mate said was announced. I think that’s pretty positive. We shouldn’t dip too far under that now, even though these next two Thursdays will be a challenge. 
 

The crowd will be one up on tonight for the next two games anyway🙋‍♂️ (the missus and her southern family have a lot to answer for). 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Josef K said:

Leeds MOM was the fans, an excellent 10,655 turning up in awful weather. They should all give themselves a pat on the back. 

It was genuinely terrible conditions, i have only been colder once at a rugby game (which was in November), and I had a bit of a beer jacket tonight.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, Scubby said:

Leeds 10,655

Wigan 10,291

 

Decent for an absolutely freezing Thursday evening.

  • Like 1

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share


×
×
  • Create New...