Dave T Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 37 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said: Fair points maybe for some clubs - but if I thing of most SL clubs for example. Most of their 'core' fanbase are season ticket holders these days - so the challenge for the club is to build on top of that. Now so called big games people, who are more casual fans, will still buy in advance at the higher price for fear of missing out - not necessarily on the game but the seats\section they want. That leaves your decide on the day people - who knowing they're essentially getting 'what's left' to then be told that actually costs more, smarts a bit I reckon. As a general point I just think ticket pricing should be more fluid - these set structures of Cat A/B/C that many clubs do and upping the price on match day has been around for a long time and I just don't see it, as a game that rarely sells out its stadiums' as the right approach. Also caveat that by saying giving away and vastly reducing the prices isn't the way to go either, as I said before. I'm not sure that is true. I don't think RL has any element of FOMO at the moment, nothing sells out, so that leads one to conclude that the reason for buying in advance is to access better pricing. If that's the case then charging more in advance is likely to wipe out this behaviour. There is a reason literally nobody does that, in general entertainment, not just RL. There is nothing wrong with A/B/C pricing structures, what those price points are may be an issue. I think in reality a bit of everything will probably be the best answer, but the biggest mistake I think we make is having too narrow an offering, we should start cheap and go up to real premium, and by that I don't just mean traditional hospitality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 19 hours ago, Mattrhino said: Has anyone been bowling or cinema lately? Makes the £24 at Rhinos a bargain. Suppose it becomes a little different if your taking the family and it starts to creep up to 3 figures. At Warrington bowling is £3 per game in the week and £5 at the weekend. Cinema around £6 in the week, around a tenner at weekends and plenty of 2 for 1 offers. Everyone is discounting heavily, competition is tough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 19 hours ago, Mattrhino said: Yep British sport is still in the dark ages. Everyone trying frantically buy a beer in a crappy concourse bar in 15 mins at HT still only serve crappy frozen chips and microwave pies. Maybe follow this account 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headtackle Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, theswanmcr said: We’ll said. Kids tickets should be dirt cheap - anything from free to a £5 max at every club. You easily get that back in added spend on food and merch. Been watching non league football recently loads of kid/teens in groups having a good time with mates and enjoying watching live football at an affordable level. £1 a game at most clubs. Am told junior season ticket at Marine is £20 As it has always been the key is to get kids into ground and hooked early. no point having loads of empty seats and stands 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, headtackle said: Been watching non league football recently loads of kid/teens in groups having a good time with mates and enjoying watching live football at an affordable level. £1 a game at most clubs. Am told junior season ticket at Marine is £20 As it has always been the key is to get kids into ground and hooked early. no point having loads of empty seats and stands Super League should be aiming higher than non league football imo. Kids season tickets are already great value in RL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Super League should be aiming higher than non league football imo. Kids season tickets are already great value in RL. Super League is frequently cheaper than non league football. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Dave T said: That doesn't really mean anything. Nobody is suggesting making things cheap and just cutting income, the discussion is about getting the right price point to maximise crowds and income. If this is optimal pricing, great, I'm not sure it is. We maximise income by a huge price increase, we all expect quality to cost us and are happy to pay for it. eg Dyson products are generally the most expensive in their sectors but are also the best selling. We may lose some bottom feeders but will be better for it in the long run as we lose the tag of being cheap and nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theswanmcr Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, gingerjon said: Super League is frequently cheaper than non league football. I don’t think so. Cheapest kids ticket at Leeds tonight is £15 to stand, and between £23 and £27 to sit. That’s ridiculous for a Thursday games on TV. Why would a family of four pay those prices with then possible food, drink and merch on top. Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, theswanmcr said: I don’t think so. Cheapest kids ticket at Leeds tonight is £15 to stand, and between £23 and £27 to sit. That’s ridiculous for a Thursday games on TV. Why would a family of four pay those prices with then possible food, drink and merch on top. Madness. £22 at Cambridge. I checked before posting. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said: We maximise income by a huge price increase, we all expect quality to cost us and are happy to pay for it. eg Dyson products are generally the most expensive in their sectors but are also the best selling. We may lose some bottom feeders but will be better for it in the long run as we lose the tag of being cheap and nasty Sounds like a great plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theswanmcr Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, gingerjon said: £22 at Cambridge. I checked before posting. Yeah you can pick out the odd example - generally former league clubs. There’s also clubs who have kids for free at the other end of the spectrum. Personally I don’t think it’s a relevant comparison anyway. As a sport we don’t have any clubs like Man United or other premier league football clubs with sell out stadiums every week. We should be encouraging big crowds and building fans for now and the future. Get kids in and you spend money on food, they want replica kits etc Edited February 24, 2022 by theswanmcr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, theswanmcr said: Yeah you can pick out the odd example - generally former league clubs. There’s also clubs who have kids for free at the other end of the spectrum. Personally I don’t think it’s a relevant comparison anyway. As a sport we don’t have any clubs like Man United or other premier league football clubs with sell out stadiums every week. We should be encouraging big crowds and building fans for now and the future. Get kids in and you spend money on food, they want replica kits etc I think c.£20-£25 to watch Super League represents remarkable value given the likelihood of seeing a decent game. With season tickets (which some (most/all?) clubs now allow spread payments on) reducing those prices further we really aren't more that decent. I thought the comparison with netball, ice hockey and the rest earlier was interesting. The difference there is that they really are looking to build up support, atmosphere and loyalty from absolute zero whereas we're in the more fortunate position where that already exists for us - we just want more of it. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theswanmcr Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I think c.£20-£25 to watch Super League represents remarkable value given the likelihood of seeing a decent game. With season tickets (which some (most/all?) clubs now allow spread payments on) reducing those prices further we really aren't more that decent. I thought the comparison with netball, ice hockey and the rest earlier was interesting. The difference there is that they really are looking to build up support, atmosphere and loyalty from absolute zero whereas we're in the more fortunate position where that already exists for us - we just want more of it. We may be at cross-wires here… £20-£25 for SL adult tickets is fine. Away tickets should be available starting at £20 at the most as part of the ‘Tweny is Plenty’ campaign. If we’re talking kids prices then I think that’s outrageous. Under 16s should be nowhere near that figure for club games - regardless of how that compares to other sports. We are a mostly working class sport and our pricing for kids should reflect that. Edited February 24, 2022 by theswanmcr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, theswanmcr said: We may be at cross-wires here… £20-£25 for SL adult tickets is fine. Away tickets should be available starting at £20 at the most as part of the ‘Tweny is Plenty’ campaign. If we’re talking kids prices then I think that’s outrageous. Under 16s should be nowhere near that figure for club games - regardless of how that compares to other sports. We are a mostly working class sport and our pricing for kids should reflect that. Disagree about away prices - they should be on the same scale as home ones. But it's a minor issue. Kids prices. I am somewhat torn. Where I think it works well is when the pricing essentially creates a family area (so 1-2 stands will have £1/£5 kids tickets, whereas everywhere else they are on or near the adult price) versus more adult areas. Means that people who want to drink aren't tripping over kids and kids can have fun together and clubs know where to target their on-the-day-kids-pester sales. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I think c.£20-£25 to watch Super League represents remarkable value given the likelihood of seeing a decent game. With season tickets (which some (most/all?) clubs now allow spread payments on) reducing those prices further we really aren't more that decent. I thought the comparison with netball, ice hockey and the rest earlier was interesting. The difference there is that they really are looking to build up support, atmosphere and loyalty from absolute zero whereas we're in the more fortunate position where that already exists for us - we just want more of it. Yes, all sports are at different parts on their lifecycle, but as a sport that has positioned itself as a budget sport for a while, when yiu start to get undercut by new kids on the block (I know most of these are not really new) and it can pose a real problem for us. How can a budget sport not be 'cheap'? I do think some of these sports may be chipping away at our base. I've said it hundreds of times, we should start low and finish high, our low should be really affordable, I'm not sure we are quite in the right spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dave T said: Yes, all sports are at different parts on their lifecycle, but as a sport that has positioned itself as a budget sport for a while, when yiu start to get undercut by new kids on the block (I know most of these are not really new) and it can pose a real problem for us. How can a budget sport not be 'cheap'? I do think some of these sports may be chipping away at our base. I've said it hundreds of times, we should start low and finish high, our low should be really affordable, I'm not sure we are quite in the right spot. I think the difficulty we have with that - and obviously this isn't everywhere but it's most - is that our grounds aren't really set up enough for wide variations in price. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I think the difficulty we have with that - and obviously this isn't everywhere but it's most - is that our grounds aren't really set up enough for wide variations in price. I'm not so sure that's true nowadays, we have most grounds with indiviual stands/areas, that play into your point about family areas etc. Interestingly I went to a Wire game recently sitting in the family area, there was a 50 year old a-hole sat behind us effing and jeffing all match, sitting on his own. There is nothing making it a family stand other than some writing on the website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadlyOverdrawnBoy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: American sports often have people walking the stands selling drinks either from dispensers like this or cold cans. Has any RL club ever tried this? You’d still have the pre match and half time bar rush but I’m sure they’d sell plenty during the game and have higher sales overall. I remember as a kid being taken in the early 60s to Bramley at the Barley Mow, and there were waiters bringing trays of pints to the terraces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Vaguely recall Skolars one season having a couple of girls who would bring drinks to your seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Dave T said: There is nothing making it a family stand other than some writing on the website. And that's just lazy and could so easily be corrected. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, gingerjon said: And that's just lazy and could so easily be corrected. Absolutely, it's this kind of thing I refer to when I do criticise clubs. And this is one of the better clubs with decent owned facilities. There is no excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theswanmcr Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, gingerjon said: I think the difficulty we have with that - and obviously this isn't everywhere but it's most - is that our grounds aren't really set up enough for wide variations in price. I’d like to see less variations in price. It may be non league football but at FC United of Manchester it is £12 adults, £3 kids - you just go in the seats if you want or stand. Simple to understand and implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barley Mow Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, BadlyOverdrawnBoy said: I remember as a kid being taken in the early 60s to Bramley at the Barley Mow, and there were waiters bringing trays of pints to the terraces. An advantage of the pub having a rugby ground (rather than the rugby ground having a bar) I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef K Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 11 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: American sports often have people walking the stands selling drinks either from dispensers like this or cold cans. Has any RL club ever tried this? You’d still have the pre match and half time bar rush but I’m sure they’d sell plenty during the game and have higher sales overall. It’d be worth a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef K Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 9 hours ago, Wholly Trinity said: Wakefield haven't had cash turnstiles for a number of years. You can either buy a ticket in advance (online or from the club shop) or in the ticket kiosk at the ground on the day. When MC took over from the previous owner (2015?) it became clear that income wasn't proportional to attendance. Too many freebies and a suspicion of fraud on the turnstiles. We like to maintain standards and exclusivity - keep the riff-raff out. I totally agree with that WT, we don’t want any scruff’s coming into our stadia. Id be happy to see Pants & shoes, no trainers allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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