Southerner Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 He looks as if he’s much improved this season. He appeared quite slight and unconfident last couple of seasons but he’s started to back himself more and playing with more experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 22 hours ago, Scubby said: Bateman centre, Austin wing - done deal. I wondered why you keep shoving controversial comments in, you are Wayne Bennett and I claim my £5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said: I wondered why you keep shoving controversial comments in, you are Wayne Bennett and I claim my £5. Spend it wisely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 16 hours ago, OMEGA said: I’ve said before, I favour an attacking team that will test the best of defences. If Farnworth is in one centre then who do we have to contest a place in the other. Percival Welsby Newman Wardle Lyne King Gildart Hardaker Connor Griffin Sarginson There's anothe young lad you have missed out who I think could be really good if he keeps improving I have seen him twice in the last week and he has and been very impressive for a 19 year old that is Corey Hall at Wakefield, albeit not for this WC, beggars belief why Leeds would let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: There's anothe young lad you have missed out who I think could be really good if he keeps improving I have seen him twice in the last week and he has and been very impressive for a 19 year old that is Corey Hall at Wakefield, albeit not for this WC, beggars belief why Leeds would let him go. He's already better than Sutcliffe and he still doesn't do his own laundry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandOffHalf Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Young Herbie would be in consideration for rep selection if he was Australian, I feel. He's been getting towards being an elite centre over the last year/year and a half, and he's looking bigger, faster, more confident. I really like Percival and he has deserved selection in the past, but the feel I get is that Farnworth is just a bit of a higher range player who'll trouble the bigger teams more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Well, I've already nailed my colours to the mast... if they are fit and available I would have Farnworth on the left and Newman on the right. I think they are outstanding athletes and two of the best outside backs we have produced in a long time. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Dunbar said: Well, I've already nailed my colours to the mast... if they are fit and available I would have Farnworth on the left and Newman on the right. I think they are outstanding athletes and two of the best outside backs we have produced in a long time. I just don't get the 'love in' with Newman. He's shown some fleeting glimpses of talent but more often than not he's been way off the pace in games or out injured. Its been nearly 5 years now since he made his 1st team debut for Leeds (back in 2017) and he's managed only 36 games for them (all be it he had loan spells at Fev in 2018 & 19). So far this year he's played only once (missed 3, played 1, missed another 3). If he wants to be in serious contention for an England spot he needs to; a - get over his continual injuries and put an extended run of games together, b - show consistent good form in those run of games (not 1 decent game and hobble around half fit for the rest). If he can't manage the above this year then he doesn't even deserve a place in the England squad at the end of the year let alone be a starting centre. St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 23 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: I just don't get the 'love in' with Newman. He's shown some fleeting glimpses of talent but more often than not he's been way off the pace in games or out injured. Its been nearly 5 years now since he made his 1st team debut for Leeds (back in 2017) and he's managed only 36 games for them (all be it he had loan spells at Fev in 2018 & 19). So far this year he's played only once (missed 3, played 1, missed another 3). If he wants to be in serious contention for an England spot he needs to; a - get over his continual injuries and put an extended run of games together, b - show consistent good form in those run of games (not 1 decent game and hobble around half fit for the rest). If he can't manage the above this year then he doesn't even deserve a place in the England squad at the end of the year let alone be a starting centre. Yep, that's why I said if he is fit and available. As far as I am concerned, he is our most talented right centre. And I would pair him with Dom Young as his winger. I don't care how many games they have played, if they are fit and available then they are our best options. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 28 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: I just don't get the 'love in' with Newman. He's shown some fleeting glimpses of talent but more often than not he's been way off the pace in games or out injured. Its been nearly 5 years now since he made his 1st team debut for Leeds (back in 2017) and he's managed only 36 games for them (all be it he had loan spells at Fev in 2018 & 19). So far this year he's played only once (missed 3, played 1, missed another 3). If he wants to be in serious contention for an England spot he needs to; a - get over his continual injuries and put an extended run of games together, b - show consistent good form in those run of games (not 1 decent game and hobble around half fit for the rest). If he can't manage the above this year then he doesn't even deserve a place in the England squad at the end of the year let alone be a starting centre. I think the "love in" with Newman was that the enforced delay of the WC could help someone like him (with massive potential) have a career defining season. This is definitely the case for players like Welsby. He is an extremely classy and strong player but he simply cannot get a run of games together. That is going to drop him right down the pecking order in my opinion as Farnworth, Percival etc. are performing week in week out and have runs on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Yep, that's why I said if he is fit and available. As far as I am concerned, he is our most talented right centre. And I would pair him with Dom Young as his winger. I don't care how many games they have played, if they are fit and available then they are our best options. Don’t mention Young toToppy,he wrote him off after 2 games for Huddersfield when he was 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said: There's anothe young lad you have missed out who I think could be really good if he keeps improving I have seen him twice in the last week and he has and been very impressive for a 19 year old that is Corey Hall at Wakefield, albeit not for this WC, beggars belief why Leeds would let him go. And Wrench at Warrington too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz39 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Saint Toppy said: I just don't get the 'love in' with Newman. He's shown some fleeting glimpses of talent but more often than not he's been way off the pace in games or out injured. Its been nearly 5 years now since he made his 1st team debut for Leeds (back in 2017) and he's managed only 36 games for them (all be it he had loan spells at Fev in 2018 & 19). So far this year he's played only once (missed 3, played 1, missed another 3). If he wants to be in serious contention for an England spot he needs to; a - get over his continual injuries and put an extended run of games together, b - show consistent good form in those run of games (not 1 decent game and hobble around half fit for the rest). If he can't manage the above this year then he doesn't even deserve a place in the England squad at the end of the year let alone be a starting centre. I think Newman is one of those youngsters who seem to spend most of their career as one of the next up and coming stars but like many others doesn't always hit that height but has a reputation, usually off Sky sports employees that makes people think they have to be considered as a top player. Like you i have never seen the big fuss over him, he never really seems to be a standout in games i've seen him in. I don't think i'd even consider him for an England spot, he'd be behind Farnworth, Percival, Wardle, Welsby and probably King in my thoughts. He may turn out to be a great player but up to now at 22/23 i can't say he's stood out at all during his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, daz39 said: usually off Sky sports employees that makes people think they have to be considered as a top player. Let me just say, I think Newman is an outstanding talent. I may be right and, I am happy to admit, I may be wrong, but I can assure you I am forming my own opinion on him and not basing by views on Sky commentary. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz39 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Let me just say, I think Newman is an outstanding talent. I may be right and, I am happy to admit, I may be wrong, but I can assure you I am forming my own opinion on him and not basing by views on Sky commentary. Wasn't aiming my reply at you specifically, more the general viewing public, he may become an outstanding talent but in my opinion he's nothing more than a good, young super league player for now, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Harry Stottle said: There's anothe young lad you have missed out who I think could be really good if he keeps improving I have seen him twice in the last week and he has and been very impressive for a 19 year old that is Corey Hall at Wakefield, albeit not for this WC, beggars belief why Leeds would let him go. Because he’s not as good as with Harry Newman or Jack Broadbent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 If Kai Pearce Paul plays centre for Wigan all season he’ll be in with a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz39 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: If Kai Pearce Paul plays centre for Wigan all season he’ll be in with a chance Why, cos he plays for Wigan? He isn't a recognised centre for a start and is nowhere near international level, why would he be picked before others listed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Kai Pearce Paul doesn't have the pace to be an international centre, he is still far more likely to develop into a top class edge forward. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 44 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Because he’s not as good as with Harry Newman or Jack Broadbent He’s doing better than both at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: Because he’s not as good as with Harry Newman or Jack Broadbent He is better than Sutcliffe one off the incumbent centres and Briscoe who I have also seen playing centre in recent weeks, sorry kev letting him go is a mistake Leeds will come to regret. Especially as one of those you mention is seemingly being one of those unlucky one's who never reach their potential because they spend more time in the treatment rooms than on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 15 hours ago, Dunbar said: Yep, that's why I said if he is fit and available. As far as I am concerned, he is our most talented right centre. And I would pair him with Dom Young as his winger. I don't care how many games they have played, if they are fit and available then they are our best options. Is he England's most talented centre ? 5 years in and i'm still waiting for him to fulfill all the hype. Better not even mention Young or Davo5 will need another nappy change. He plays in the NRL so he must be a superstar, worlds greatest winger who's going to win the WC for England single handedly don't you know St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 52 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: Is he England's most talented centre ? 5 years in and i'm still waiting for him to fulfill all the hype. Better not even mention Young or Davo5 will need another nappy change. He plays in the NRL so he must be a superstar, worlds greatest winger who's going to win the WC for England single handedly don't you know Wow you do like making things up,don’t you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 5 years ago Young was playing for Dewsbury Moor u15s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 30/03/2022 at 13:39, OMEGA said: 5 years ago Young was playing for Dewsbury Moor u15s What's that got to do with anything ? 5 Yrs ago Newman made his 1st team debut and hasn't really progressed since. He's managed just 1 game so far this year and now he's going to be out injured for another 3 months ruling him out until around July. By the time he manages to regain any sort of match fitness its going to be August which probably only then leaves him 8-9 games to prove he's worthy of an England squad place for the WC (assuming he doesn't pick up any more injures in that time) St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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