Mumby Magic Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 I can see this competition being another half-baked RL idea unless someone gets to grips with it. 5 teams are basically competing for it. What's the point. It should be a celebration of lower league Rugby League. Have the bottom two divisions teams in, a small sprinkling of amateur clubs and maybe even some invitational teams. Stories that can capture the imagination, sell papers, hitting social media. Siddal to play Featherstone in 1895 at Wembley. Maybe an invitational team of seniors to roll back the years. An overseas touring team. Anything to capture the imagination. RFL: Ok just the 5 this year boys. Like poor jokes? Thejoketeller@mullymessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 And with the Championship sides playing 26 weekly round games, the Challenge Cup and this proposal of yours, where do you expect them to place it in the calendar? Midweek games? Can we ask part-time players to play midweek games in such a physically demanding sport as Rugby League? Unless there’s going to be a significant reduction in games played by Championship clubs, which is unlikely, I don’t see how we accommodate another tournament in its entirety. There’s an argument that the five Championship sides have had to win a couple of games to get to this point and I do get that side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatmichaelsays Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 The whole premise of the 1895 just seemed to be another unimaginative approach to try and arrest the falling attendances at the CC Final. I think that the RFL hoped that if they had a reason for fans of clubs like Bradford, Featherstone or Leigh to go to Wembley, they wouldn't have to come up with more creative ideas to make the CC, and the CC Final, an event that people are clamouring to see. This is the entire problem with the CC for me. Any discussion around how we get fans to attend seems to revolve around double headers (see the 1895 / semi-finals day), cheaper tickets and bundling it into season tickets, rather than making it something people actually want to spend money on. At this point, it seems like the only reason we're playing the CC is because "it's what we've always done". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 I'd have more time for this thread if it had been started back in November when the format for the competition was announced. Basically it's a rehash of the moaning we've seen about the venue of the last few Championship GFs a couple of weeks before they were due to take place.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Mumby Magic said: I can see this competition being another half-baked RL idea unless someone gets to grips with it. 5 teams are basically competing for it. Twenty odd teams have been competing for it over the last two months. Open your eyes. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Obviously it's done deal for 2022 The question is whether it can be done better in 2023 or is just better to bin it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: I'd have more time for this thread if it had been started back in November when the format for the competition was announced. I'd have more time for this thread if the opening post didn't simply rehash the misinformation about there being "5 teams competing for it" which was soundly debunked in the existing 1895 Cup thread yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said: Obviously it's done deal for 2022 The question is whether it can be done better in 2023 or is just better to bin it? Having all 12 Superleague clubs in the cup would improve it. Then you'd have four clubs to play off for the 1895 Cup instead of this unwieldy five. Yes - it's all Toulouse's fault. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Horseman Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Mumby Magic said: Have the bottom two divisions teams in, a small sprinkling of amateur clubs and maybe even some invitational teams. Stories that can capture the imagination, sell papers, hitting social media. Siddal to play Featherstone in 1895 at Wembley. At the risk of repeating what has already been pointed out on the other thread: it was perfectly possible for Siddall to reach the final, but they were knocked out of the Challenge Cup (and thus the 1895 Cup) by Hunslet last month. If you did run the 1895 Cup as a standalone competiton with, say, 5 rounds, the amateur clubs are no more likely to get a sniff of the final than Championship clubs are in the Challenge Cup anyway. The current 1895 Cup format is an excellent method of enabling lower league clubs to have a route to Wembley without forcing too many more fixtures into what is an already overcrowded schedule (for Championship clubs anyway). I think the RFL deserve a lot of credit for coming up with this solution to what was a tricky problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said: I'd have more time for this thread if the opening post didn't simply rehash the misinformation about there being "5 teams competing for it" which was soundly debunked in the existing 1895 Cup thread yesterday. It'd be nice if the OP took his own advice and respected the competition. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumby Magic Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Jughead said: And with the Championship sides playing 26 weekly round games, the Challenge Cup and this proposal of yours, where do you expect them to place it in the calendar? Midweek games? Can we ask part-time players to play midweek games in such a physically demanding sport as Rugby League? Unless there’s going to be a significant reduction in games played by Championship clubs, which is unlikely, I don’t see how we accommodate another tournament in its entirety. There’s an argument that the five Championship sides have had to win a couple of games to get to this point and I do get that side of things. It was a longer concept before. Plus don't league one sides play less. Plus I said we can bin it Like poor jokes? Thejoketeller@mullymessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumby Magic Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 34 minutes ago, Griff said: Twenty odd teams have been competing for it over the last two months. Open your eyes. I will but not only after this round of challenge cup ties. No direct 1895 ties. Open yours our lad. Like poor jokes? Thejoketeller@mullymessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumby Magic Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 35 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said: Obviously it's done deal for 2022 The question is whether it can be done better in 2023 or is just better to bin it? Exactly my point. Embrace or bin it. Like poor jokes? Thejoketeller@mullymessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardypaul Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 The problem is there just isn’t time in the calendar to run 2 stand alone cup competition’s so unless you have the cc final at the back end of the season it will be a struggle. The interesting thing is over the last 2 years there are 8 different teams into the playoffs/semifinal stage so does that not show anyone can get there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said: It was a longer concept before. Plus don't league one sides play less. Plus I said we can bin it And that led to a lot of disdain through midweek games. League One teams play fewer games yes but Championship teams, those most likely to appear in finals, play significantly more. I think there’s a need for a lower league cup. The Northern Rail Cup provided many decent finals and I’m sure decent memories for those involved, I do wonder how we would incorporate such a tournament when one of the two lower leagues plays 30% more games than the other and we have them competing in the Challenge Cup. The format in its current form doesn’t look ideal but it’s better than no tournament or a tournament dogged by midweek games and walkovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said: It was a longer concept before. Plus don't league one sides play less. Plus I said we can bin it Well, if you give the clubs permission to bin it, that's a different matter. I'm sure they'll rush to take your advice. Those 2019 midweek games didn't work, did they? And that was when they were in June. They'll be even less popular in February. It's fine as it is. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Is there not a way for Championship clubs to play fewer regular season games, get the season finished earlier to aide the promoted side and to still allow a longer format competition to take place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Oh good! Another thread on the same subject...... https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php?/topic/368270-1895-cup-draw/page/4/#comments Bin it! My club's been knocked out. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroyales Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 BIN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or open it up only to all Championship and 1st division sides and bin the Challenge Cup for the same two divisions. The CC is only for the top sooperdooperleeg sides anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jughead said: Is there not a way for Championship clubs to play fewer regular season games, get the season finished earlier to aide the promoted side and to still allow a longer format competition to take place? Go on giz a clue as to how without making the competition (more) unbalanced (than it is already with the Bash) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jughead said: Is there not a way for Championship clubs to play fewer regular season games, get the season finished earlier to aide the promoted side and to still allow a longer format competition to take place? The season's too long as it is. And clubs want 13 guaranteed home league games, apparently. It's your classic quart and pint pot. Even before you come along with your extra half pint. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Go on giz a clue as to how without making the competition (more) unbalanced (than it is already with the Bash) That’s the thing, the only way to do so would be to unbalance the fixture list by removing home and away fixtures as we know them but still getting to 13 guaranteed home games is quite the task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 52 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said: Exactly my point. Embrace or bin it. Seriously, it's a great day out. Pity you lost again. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 How would people feel if the Challenge Cup was changed to 16 teams - SL clubs plus top 4/5 clubs from Championship (Toulouse not in it of course) - final at Wembley 1895 Cup for all remaining professional league clubs - final at Wembley You increase cup prize money to top 4/5 Championship clubs so it is worth their while to be part of the big CC competition. The 1895 Cup is a real genuine competition for lower league clubs with a meaningful structure to get you to Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styx Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Two threads on the same them with posts being added to both.. Be great if folk read the menu first rather than just jump in for their moment of fame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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