RayCee Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 10 hours ago, Barley Mow said: The demographics are so different in Australia that there really isn't a direct comparison that can be made there. Outside of the the major cities (Perth and Adelaide urban areas) WA only has 2 settlements with more than 50,000 population, SA doesn't have any. British RL is largely focused on medium sided towns in a densely concentrated area. A comparable area simply doesn't exist in Australia. The closest I got as a comparison is this. London Broncos like a nomadic club moving around Sydney but unable to find its place. Salford like a club on the periphery of Brisbane. The rest of the pro / semi pro / amateur sides being teams mainly scattered around Queensland and NT but limited to pockets of interest. Otherwise, just a few amateur clubs in the NSW country. In that sense, national interest would barely exist and selling the game to TV a big ask. In that sense, RL in England is fortunate to have a product that comes across well on TV and to have a TV deal. My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rocket Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 On 31/03/2022 at 06:06, Scubby said: Are they not justifying their inclusion by providing one of the best teams in the competition? Have people on Sky/BBC and at various stadiums not enjoyed watching Stacey Jones, James Maloney, Thomas Bosc, Sam Tomkins etc. How #### would Super League 2022 be this year if you took Catalans out of that top 4? Are Catalans an important part of overseas rights sales? Because of their success and NRL recruitment they are now one of the most recognised SL teams in Australia. It is SL's job to commercialise their product not Catalans or Toulouse. Hopefully in the not too distant future players like Mark Gasnier who at the peak of his career wanted to take a break from the fish-bowl that the NRL can be, will be able to take sojourns in the south of France playing Rugby League not rugby union. Sio Siua Taukeiaho recently knocked back a three year deal with the Dolphins, despite Bennett`s concerted efforts, to sign with the Catalans, because he needed a break from the NRL. I know some people will say that you could do the same thing with a Super League club, but the French team offers something a little more exotic and interesting for these intelligent young players who want to experience something a little different during the limited time span that is a professional sporting career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 3 hours ago, The Rocket said: Hopefully in the not too distant future players like Mark Gasnier who at the peak of his career wanted to take a break from the fish-bowl that the NRL can be, will be able to take sojourns in the south of France playing Rugby League not rugby union. Sio Siua Taukeiaho recently knocked back a three year deal with the Dolphins, despite Bennett`s concerted efforts, to sign with the Catalans, because he needed a break from the NRL. I know some people will say that you could do the same thing with a Super League club, but the French team offers something a little more exotic and interesting for these intelligent young players who want to experience something a little different during the limited time span that is a professional sporting career. Plus these young intelligent Aussies wouldn’t want to go to Wigan because it’s too close to the Eiffel Tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rocket Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, bobbruce said: Plus these young intelligent Aussies wouldn’t want to go to Wigan because it’s too close to the Eiffel Tower. Fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 14 hours ago, Davo5 said: To be fair the money senior academy & young fringe players were on was never that good in Union either. That's true, but I'm sure you know of Brow players that could have gone pro but are on good Sellafield wages and chose not too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, dkw said: That's true, but I'm sure you know of Brow players that could have gone pro but are on good Sellafield wages and chose not too. Definitely semi pro,not so sure about any turning down Superleague offers though,I know my own lad left the Newcastle Falcons academy after securing a SL apprenticeship. I do know a few lads who went to Haven and were on a lot more money getting semi pro/ Sellafield wages mind but then again the old T&C’s on offer then was probably better than 90 % of work available in the North of England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 16 hours ago, dkw said: I know of amateurs who couldn't afford to go full time, the wage for a young super league squad player isn't very enticing at times. It’s worse now with many RL players working in a vibrant housing market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 On 30/03/2022 at 12:11, Jughead said: He’s actually said what a lot of chairmen are probably thinking, which sums up the state of the game. If that is true its little wonder we have a reduced TV contract with Sky and can't attract big name sponsors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 On 30/03/2022 at 19:54, Robin Evans said: I'd hate to lose the french influence on superleague or the championship. It works., It's doable and it's sustainable..... in ways Toronto wasn't. I saw Toronto as a way of our game getting a foothold in the most lucrative sports market in the world, but Robert Elstone though it was more lucrative to have a team from a suburb of Wigan in Super League which just shows you what a clown Elstone was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, The Future is League said: I saw Toronto as a way of our game getting a foothold in the most lucrative sports market in the world, but Robert Elstone though it was more lucrative to have a team from a suburb of Wigan in Super League which just shows you what a clown Elstone was BLX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 4 hours ago, The Future is League said: I saw Toronto as a way of our game getting a foothold in the most lucrative sports market in the world, but Robert Elstone though it was more lucrative to have a team from a suburb of Wigan in Super League which just shows you what a clown Elstone was I am sure Toronto withdrew from Superleague first. They weren't replaced or swapped by anyone as such. Then I think 5 sides applied to replace them of which Leigh were selected. None of the 5 were North American so there wasn't an option to continue with this market. Leigh were then of course relegated and replaced by Toulouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 14 hours ago, The Future is League said: I saw Toronto as a way of our game getting a foothold in the most lucrative sports market in the world, but Robert Elstone though it was more lucrative to have a team from a suburb of Wigan in Super League which just shows you what a clown Elstone was We did 424 pages debating the absolutely clusterfk that was Toronto. It failed. Covid didn't help but neither did their owner and Elston rightfully declined a fag packet business submission based on flogging a few razors and the club was gone. The long term sustainability of a North American club in a low budget sport with climate, travel and locational challenges were in my opinion, too much. Watching fev out there was a fabulous experience. I loved it and I feel for those who took to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fighting irish Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Robin Evans said: We did 424 pages debating the absolutely clusterfk that was Toronto. It failed. Covid didn't help but neither did their owner and Elston rightfully declined a fag packet business submission based on flogging a few razors and the club was gone. The long term sustainability of a North American club in a low budget sport with climate, travel and locational challenges were in my opinion, too much. Watching fev out there was a fabulous experience. I loved it and I feel for those who too to the game. Not wishing to go over old ground but Robert Elstone killed Toronto. He broke the spirit of the owner and their management group, publicly undermining their position from the day he took office. I also believe he was envious of Eric Perez and couldn't wait to be rid of him. Someone with such a can-do attitude and huge vision for the game perpetually shone a spotlight on Robert Elstone's shortcomings,. So whilst Elstone had power he/they (Perez/Toronto) had to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, fighting irish said: Not wishing to go over old ground but Robert Elstone killed Toronto. He broke the spirit of the owner and their management group, publicly undermining their position from the day he took office. I also believe he was envious of Eric Perez and couldn't wait to be rid of him. Someone with such a can-do attitude and huge vision for the game perpetually shone a spotlight on Robert Elstone's shortcomings,. So whilst Elstone had power he/they (Perez/Toronto) had to go. Respect your opinion. It's not an opinion I share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkw Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 13 hours ago, The Future is League said: If that is true its little wonder we have a reduced TV contract with Sky and can't attract big name sponsors I hope its not true, if it is then it shows how bad a business it us if all they see is problems and worry rather than opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, fighting irish said: Not wishing to go over old ground but Robert Elstone killed Toronto. He broke the spirit of the owner and their management group, publicly undermining their position from the day he took office. I also believe he was envious of Eric Perez and couldn't wait to be rid of him. Someone with such a can-do attitude and huge vision for the game perpetually shone a spotlight on Robert Elstone's shortcomings,. So whilst Elstone had power he/they (Perez/Toronto) had to go. So why do it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fighting irish Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 1 minute ago, GUBRATS said: So why do it ? I'm just a natural born c...t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayakman Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 1 hour ago, fighting irish said: Not wishing to go over old ground but Robert Elstone killed Toronto. He broke the spirit of the owner and their management group, publicly undermining their position from the day he took office. I also believe he was envious of Eric Perez and couldn't wait to be rid of him. Someone with such a can-do attitude and huge vision for the game perpetually shone a spotlight on Robert Elstone's shortcomings,. So whilst Elstone had power he/they (Perez/Toronto) had to go. Very well put and thought out...that is exactly what happened. The saddest part is that a great opportunity was missed....an opportunity to grow and expand. Many folks went over the angles many times but now the Naysayers reap what they have sown....a slow, steady demise....just like Parky. You can lead the horse to water but you can't make it drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 8 hours ago, fighting irish said: Not wishing to go over old ground but Robert Elstone killed Toronto. He broke the spirit of the owner and their management group, publicly undermining their position from the day he took office. I also believe he was envious of Eric Perez and couldn't wait to be rid of him. Someone with such a can-do attitude and huge vision for the game perpetually shone a spotlight on Robert Elstone's shortcomings,. So whilst Elstone had power he/they (Perez/Toronto) had to go. Elstone wasted millions in his short time in Rugby League and not a penny for the game to show for it. To think Leigh could offer more to Rugby League than a team in North America is just total madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 7 hours ago, dkw said: I hope its not true, if it is then it shows how bad a business it us if all they see is problems and worry rather than opportunities. Unfortunately it probably is. The likes of dexy can't see the broader picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 11 hours ago, Robin Evans said: We did 424 pages debating the absolutely clusterfk that was Toronto. It failed. Covid didn't help but neither did their owner and Elston rightfully declined a fag packet business submission based on flogging a few razors and the club was gone. The long term sustainability of a North American club in a low budget sport with climate, travel and locational challenges were in my opinion, too much. Watching fev out there was a fabulous experience. I loved it and I feel for those who took to the game. What positive things did Elstone bring to Rugby League? How many new sponsors did he ne bring to our game? Dis he bring in more to Rugby League than he took out with hiis and staff wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Future is League said: Unfortunately it probably is. The likes of dexy can't see the broader picture Didn’t Dexy do a midnight runner ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 1 minute ago, The Future is League said: What positive things did Elstone bring to Rugby League? How many new sponsors did he ne bring to our game? Dis he bring in more to Rugby League than he took out with hiis and staff wages? We aren't debating Elston. Start a thread on that should you wish. You dislike him. A lot do. Open a thread on it. This thread is about Delberts comments on Canada and France. TWP had 424 pages dedicated to it including about a hundred on Elston. We did it to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Robin Evans said: We aren't debating Elston. Start a thread on that should you wish. You dislike him. A lot do. Open a thread on it. This thread is about Delberts comments on Canada and France. TWP had 424 pages dedicated to it including about a hundred on Elston. We did it to death. Delberts opinions are similar to Elstones = insular with no vision Remind me again how much Elstone brought into BRL and tell me the value of having a suburb of Wigan playing in Super league as they was last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted April 3, 2022 Share Posted April 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, The Future is League said: Delberts opinions are similar to Elstones = insular with no vision Remind me again how much Elstone brought into BRL and tell me the value of having a suburb of Wigan playing in Super league as they was last season Just start a thread on Elston then.... Then you can fill your boots. Win win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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