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I was just watching a piece on BBC Breakfast about Oldham Athletic getting relegated down to non-league.

Inevitably it focussed on the gradual decline over a 20 year period - and of course the rugby club has had a decline which mirrors it. Remember the Oldham Bears were in Super League back in those days!

The football fans are agitating for new ownership because it won't be a given that they'll bounce back - plenty of other teams have fallen down that trapdoor and not come back.

My question to the Oldham RLFC fans here is whether there is now any possibility that the football and rugby clubs could get together, share the ground and for both teams this might be a new beginning?

Or could the local council bang their heads together and get them to work together?

Because, right now, it doesn't look like Oldham RLFC are going anywhere

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22 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said:

The football fans are agitating for new ownership because it won't be a given that they'll bounce back - plenty of other teams have fallen down that trapdoor and not come back.

The football club is worthless because it is loaded with debt and doesnt own the ground.  As a result one of its only income streams doesnt exist and noone with a brain would buy it. 

It would be better for both if fans restarted at step 5 and both organisations worked together to buy the ground or part of it.  3g the pitch and rebuild together. 

The league club has to leave oldham anytime they go up so what should be a club who can average 1500-2000 in champ currently has no future. 

 

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30 minutes ago, paulwalker71 said:

I was just watching a piece on BBC Breakfast about Oldham Athletic getting relegated down to non-league.

Inevitably it focussed on the gradual decline over a 20 year period - and of course the rugby club has had a decline which mirrors it. Remember the Oldham Bears were in Super League back in those days!

The football fans are agitating for new ownership because it won't be a given that they'll bounce back - plenty of other teams have fallen down that trapdoor and not come back.

My question to the Oldham RLFC fans here is whether there is now any possibility that the football and rugby clubs could get together, share the ground and for both teams this might be a new beginning?

Or could the local council bang their heads together and get them to work together?

Because, right now, it doesn't look like Oldham RLFC are going anywhere

Wasn't this done previously where the roughyeds played out of Boundary Park but the football club did something that ousted them?

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Just now, Chronicler of Chiswick said:

A 3G itch would bar Athletic from returning to the FL, as they have a ban on them. Harrogate had to dig theirs up and put turf down when they were promoted.

Yep but they normally have to change after five years and they arent getting bk to the football league in 5 years if they start again. 

I will be surprised if Oldham fc exist in their current form next season.  

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46 minutes ago, Chronicler of Chiswick said:

A 3G itch would bar Athletic from returning to the FL, as they have a ban on them. Harrogate had to dig theirs up and put turf down when they were promoted.

I’m sure SB is a 3G pitch salesman,as installing one is his answer to all the games woes.

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28 minutes ago, rlno1 said:

Shouldn't the RFL be making Oldham an area of priority rather then losing it to the game. 

That would make sense, so of course it’s not an area of priority. 

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56 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

I’m sure SB is a 3G pitch salesman,as installing one is his answer to all the games woes.

Having revenue streams that can generate income outside of just game Day is my answer. Any team certainly outside SL should be considering it if they can. 

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1 hour ago, Davo5 said:

I’m sure SB is a 3G pitch salesman,as installing one is his answer to all the games woes.

There are plenty of ways a club can generate revenue streams. I'm not sure a 3g is the answer in the vast majority of cases and I certainly think SL clubs should aspire to be aiming a little higher than hiring out a 3g pitch at £25 a go.

Yet every time a ground is mentioned there it is, install a 3g pitch. Its as much as a certainty as BP mentioning Sean McGuire.

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The football club that is flat broke should invest thousands it doesn't have on installing an artificial pitch which it would have to rip up at even greater cost should they be able to bounce back in the near future.

 

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10 minutes ago, Damien said:

There are plenty of ways a club can generate revenue streams. I'm not sure a 3g is the answer in the vast majority of cases and I certainly think SL clubs should aspire to be aiming a little higher than hiring out a 3g pitch at £25 a go.

Yet every time a ground is mentioned there it is, install a 3g pitch. Its as much as a certainty as BP mentioning Sean McGuire.

Rams minimum is £50 in peak time for5 a side.  So say a team trains on their full size pitch 2 times a week and match day.  

Thats 90×4 (6 till 10 pm) = 1080 from weekdays plus weekends 10-10 the day you arent playing. Thats another £1080 in one day. 

£2160 x 50 weeks  (taking out the days its closed for christmas etc) . Thats over £100,000 plus all the takings from the bar,  the schools programmes you can use it for. Plus value of perimeter advertising raises as people are seeing it every day. 

Now I dont think Widnes keep the money as it is owned by the council but in principle, a 3g pitch can provide a huge chunk of change.  

 

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Like many areas you'd think sports clubs would work together to help build up their clubs together. It doesn't work like that though as self interest comes into play. I suspect Oldham Football club would merely see Oldham RLFC as a way of generating a bit of revenue for themselves. Coventry Bears were treated like that by Coventry Rugby so had no chance to grow. Unless you can generate your own revenue you are stuffed 

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25 minutes ago, Damien said:

There are plenty of ways a club can generate revenue streams. I'm not sure a 3g is the answer in the vast majority of cases and I certainly think SL clubs should aspire to be aiming a little higher than hiring out a 3g pitch at £25 a go.

Yet every time a ground is mentioned there it is, install a 3g pitch. Its as much as a certainty as BP mentioning Sean McGuire.

A few years ago Dewsbury installed 3x 3g pitches (a full and 2x 5-a-side size) on 'their' land to rent out and look how that's boosted them......

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3 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Rams minimum is £50 in peak time for5 a side.  So say a team trains on their full size pitch 2 times a week and match day.  

Thats 90×4 (6 till 10 pm) = 1080 from weekdays plus weekends 10-10 the day you arent playing. Thats another £1080 in one day. 

£2160 x 50 weeks  (taking out the days its closed for christmas etc) . Thats over £100,000 plus all the takings from the bar,  the schools programmes you can use it for. Plus value of perimeter advertising raises as people are seeing it every day. 

Now I dont think Widnes keep the money as it is owned by the council but in principle, a 3g pitch can provide a huge chunk of change.  

 

Yeah, Dewsbury are rolling in it.....

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10 minutes ago, Exiled red said:

The football club that is flat broke should invest thousands it doesn't have on installing an artificial pitch which it would have to rip up at even greater cost should they be able to bounce back in the near future.

 

OK.

Why dont you learn to read? Did I not say that I dont expect the club in its current form to still exist?  Oh wait yes I did.

Noone with a brain is buying a worthless ltd company with zero assets.  

Any serious investor would only care about getting the ground of Blitz then starting again.  If you Did have the ground, you would sweat the asset properly.  

Mac being the most recent example.  

 

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2 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

A few years ago Dewsbury installed 3x 3g pitches (a full and 2x 5-a-side size) on 'their' land to rent out and look how that's boosted them......

 Are they making more or less than they otherwise would have ?

There was also this thing called covid.  3g pitches will expand purely as pressure on space continues and clubs in all codes seek revenue streams. 

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4 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Why dont you learn to read? Did I not say that I dont expect the club in its current form to still exist?  Oh wait yes I did.

Noone with a brain is buying a worthless ltd company with zero assets.  

Any serious investor would only care about getting the ground of Blitz then starting again.  If you Did have the ground, you would sweat the asset properly.  

Mac being the most recent example.  

 

Yes I can read thanks.

So the club goes to the wall and restarts further down the pyramid like Macclesfield or Bury.

Assuming they are still able to play at boundary park under your scenario the first thing any new owners should do is spend half a million quid on an artificial pitch so the now part time football team can ground share with the part time rugby league team?

I'm sure that will go down well with the long list of creditors that oldham are likely to have.

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19 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

Rams minimum is £50 in peak time for5 a side.  So say a team trains on their full size pitch 2 times a week and match day.  

Thats 90×4 (6 till 10 pm) = 1080 from weekdays plus weekends 10-10 the day you arent playing. Thats another £1080 in one day. 

£2160 x 50 weeks  (taking out the days its closed for christmas etc) . Thats over £100,000 plus all the takings from the bar,  the schools programmes you can use it for. Plus value of perimeter advertising raises as people are seeing it every day. 

Now I dont think Widnes keep the money as it is owned by the council but in principle, a 3g pitch can provide a huge chunk of change.  

 

Yes I'm sure it would work like that because its not like there aren't a glut of alternative options available that have plenty of availability already that are sat unused. I would be amazed if any 3g pitch is fully booked 6-10pm and then 10am-10pm at weekends. In fact as I used to coach kids Football and would frequently book 3g pitches I know how easy it is to get the availability you need, even at very short notice.

So now you are building a 3g pitch and a bar (I mean a bar can get plenty of income in other ways anyway regardless of a 3g pitch but we'll ignore that). I presume there are installation cost involved to all of this and maintenance costs by an outside company (not like a grass pitch that you can do much with in house). Then you get the staffing costs.

I think your figures are way off but I cant be bothered arguing hypotheticals. If despite full constant availability all you can come up with is £100k with absolutely no costs then that isn't a very compelling argument.

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8 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

 Are they making more or less than they otherwise would have ?

There was also this thing called covid.  3g pitches will expand purely as pressure on space continues and clubs in all codes seek revenue streams. 

Your figures are fanciful because (and this is by no means a complete list)

- the pitches are not fully booked 

- they assume no costs - maintenance, wages, electricity etc

- VAT

- initial set up costs and likely on going loan repayments

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5 minutes ago, Damien said:

Yes I'm sure it would work like that because its not like there aren't a glut of alternative options available that have plenty of availability already that are sat unused. I would be amazed if any 3g pitch is fully booked 6-10pm and then 10am-10pm at weekends. In fact as I used to coach kids Football and would frequently book 3g pitches I know how easy it is to get the availability you need, even at very short notice.

So now you are building a 3g pitch and a bar (I mean a bar can get plenty of income in other ways anyway regardless of a 3g pitch but we'll ignore that). I presume there are installation cost involved to all of this, maintenance costs by an outside company (not like a grass pitch that you can do much with in house). Then you get the staffing costs.

I think your figures are way off but I cant be bothered arguing hypotheticals. If despite full constant availability all you can come up with is £100k with absolutely no costs then that isn't a very compelling argument.

Absolutely re bookings. Looking at Dewsbury's pitches this coming weekend a 5 a side pitch is available on all 26 of the available 1 hr slots and the 11-a side pitch on 10 of the possible 14 slots........

 

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8 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Absolutely re bookings. Looking at Dewsbury's pitches this coming weekend a 5 a side pitch is available on all 26 of the available 1 hr slots and the 11-a side pitch on 10 of the possible 14 slots........

 

Exactly.

Look I've nothing against 3g pitches but for me their place for a club is part of their training complex/setup that they can use for all their teams and they can rent out from that. Far more practicable and cheaper to run that way too. It sounds like Dewsbury have the right idea.

The idea that a club should focus on a 3g pitch as part of a stadium build to provide revenue seems just seems a little amateurish and small time to me. It certainly isn't the financial utopia that is made out on here.

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24 minutes ago, Damien said:

Yes I'm sure it would work like that because its not like there aren't a glut of alternative options available that have plenty of availability already that are sat unused. I would be amazed if any 3g pitch is fully booked 6-10pm and then 10am-10pm at weekends. In fact as I used to coach kids Football and would frequently book 3g pitches I know how easy it is to get the availability you need, even at very short notice.

So now you are building a 3g pitch and a bar (I mean a bar can get plenty of income in other ways anyway regardless of a 3g pitch but we'll ignore that). I presume there are installation cost involved to all of this and maintenance costs by an outside company (not like a grass pitch that you can do much with in house). Then you get the staffing costs.

I think your figures are way off but I cant be bothered arguing hypotheticals. If despite full constant availability all you can come up with is £100k with absolutely no costs then that isn't a very compelling argument.

And with electric prices so cheap nowadays,lighting the pitches until 10pm will bear little cost 😂.

Im all for 3G training pitches,my own amateur club has recently completed a training barn with one but as a main stadium pitch,no thanks.

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Can you really compare the fortunes of Oldham Athletic and Oldham RL? From what I understand, there’s huge differences between the two, Oldham RL living within their means and jumping between the Championship and League One while Oldham Athletic have become a play thing for a very questionable megalomaniac. 

I don’t think they need to come together either. Oldham RL would be best suited getting a long-term lease at a venue that’s Championship standard as flitting between grounds depending on what league they’re in can’t be doing them much good. 

As for 3G pitches, I’m sure the stadium Oldham are in (the one shared with Avro) has a 3G pitch. It’s not Oldham RL’s  afaik. 

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