the demise of wm clubs - affiliated clubs - pubs and Wembley

[graveyard johnny]

ok - lets face it - the scenes of packed out wembleys during the 50s 60s 70s and 80s  were fantastic - BUT - the terraces were not full of people "booking online" and only wanting to go to see the  team they hardily support- hired club coaches and crates of ale swelled the throng in their masses from all corners , nooks and crannies of the norths club and pub network - although I am sure club trips still exist they will be nothing like in the days gone by- pubs- clubs etc closed down in their hundreds that once would have ferried merry members to the capital for a jolly day out and many that still exist prob dont run a trip anymore - times have changed for the cc and for me this is one of the main reasons we are flogging a dead horse 

[Damien]

I've commented on this before but I think the enforced break from Wembley saw many organised trips stop and never to return. Once people get out of the habit it's hard to get them back into it.

[graveyard johnny]

3 minutes ago, Damien said:

I've commented on this before but I think the enforced break from Wembley saw many organised trips stop and never to return. Once people get out of the habit it's hard to get them back into it.

many of those clubs and pubs that were community hubs are now flats - demolished or boarded up - how can the "people" be enticed in other "modern" ways? if at all!

[GUBRATS]

14 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

many of those clubs and pubs that were community hubs are now flats - demolished or boarded up - how can the "people" be enticed in other "modern" ways? if at all!

You can't , they don't go out at all , look at the demise of local pubs , it's either into ' town ' or stay in with Netflix and a curry 

[graveyard johnny]

we luckily still have a local pub and they used to have trips to the races or other events - but another thing that has changed is so many people rent houses now they just disappear from the area at the drop of a hat so are unlikely to commit to the local organised pub trip 

[Dunbar]

Here is an article published in December 2019, so just before the pandemic, that shows the UK is the live sports attendance capital of the world and "the only country in the world whose sporting attendance is greater than its population"

https://twocircles.com/gb-en/articles/uk-named-world-capital-of-live-sport-following-new-attendance-analysis/

Let's be clear. If Rugby League events are suffering, it is not a social issue, it is a Rugby League issue.

[marklaspalmas]

2 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Here is an article published in December 2019, so just before the pandemic, that shows the UK is the live sports attendance capital of the world and "the only country in the world whose sporting attendance is greater than its population"

https://twocircles.com/gb-en/articles/uk-named-world-capital-of-live-sport-following-new-attendance-analysis/

Let's be clear. If Rugby League events are suffering, it is not a social issue, it is a Rugby League issue.

Interesting. Ta.

[GUBRATS]

3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Here is an article published in December 2019, so just before the pandemic, that shows the UK is the live sports attendance capital of the world and "the only country in the world whose sporting attendance is greater than its population"

https://twocircles.com/gb-en/articles/uk-named-world-capital-of-live-sport-following-new-attendance-analysis/

Let's be clear. If Rugby League events are suffering, it is not a social issue, it is a Rugby League issue.

Take the Premier League out of the equation , and it's no different to anywhere else 

[Wigan Riversider]

5 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Here is an article published in December 2019, so just before the pandemic, that shows the UK is the live sports attendance capital of the world and "the only country in the world whose sporting attendance is greater than its population"

https://twocircles.com/gb-en/articles/uk-named-world-capital-of-live-sport-following-new-attendance-analysis/

Let's be clear. If Rugby League events are suffering, it is not a social issue, it is a Rugby League issue.

Perhaps the UK is a nation of sports' watchers

[Dunbar]

1 minute ago, GUBRATS said:

Take the Premier League out of the equation , and it's no different to anywhere else 

Yes, let's take out a sport that people pay their hard owned money to go and see in their thousands all around the country every weekend and compare.

If we take out enough sports we could be the most successful of all.

[Dunbar]

Just now, Wigan Riversider said:

Perhaps the UK is a nation of sports' watchers

It is.

[BJW]

How many schools still run trips? First final I ever attended was as part of school trip (train from Hull with many other schools, trip round London, final, evening at theatre then train back with special buses laid on as train arrived around 2am!)

[graveyard johnny]

12 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Here is an article published in December 2019, so just before the pandemic, that shows the UK is the live sports attendance capital of the world and "the only country in the world whose sporting attendance is greater than its population"

https://twocircles.com/gb-en/articles/uk-named-world-capital-of-live-sport-following-new-attendance-analysis/

Let's be clear. If Rugby League events are suffering, it is not a social issue, it is a Rugby League issue.

that has nothing to do with the title of this topic 

[graveyard johnny]

5 minutes ago, BJW said:

How many schools still run trips? First final I ever attended was as part of school trip (train from Hull with many other schools, trip round London, final, evening at theatre then train back with special buses laid on as train arrived around 2am!)

dont forget the fish supper and change from a fiver- no seriously though brilliant point 

[Dunbar]

1 minute ago, graveyard johnny said:

that has nothing to do with the title of this topic 

I agree, it may not have.  But that's probably because I couldn't really work out what the title was supposed to mean.

But from your first post i got that you were lamenting the demise of the Wembley final because people in 2022 don't behave the same way as they did in 1980.  The point i am making is that more people are attending live sport now, not fewer... so if we have a problem it is 100% for our sport to sort out.

[graveyard johnny]

2 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I agree, it may not have.  But that's probably because I couldn't really work out what the title was supposed to mean.

But from your first post i got that you were lamenting the demise of the Wembley final because people in 2022 don't behave the same way as they did in 1980.  The point i am making is that more people are attending live sport now, not fewer... so if we have a problem it is 100% for our sport to sort out.

so the coaches and buses and the trips  need to come from? where?

[GUBRATS]

8 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

so the coaches and buses and the trips  need to come from? where?

Everybody goes by train  

So it's lot Leigh's fault , we have an excuse

Edited May 4, 2022 by GUBRATS

[Dunbar]

10 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

so the coaches and buses and the trips  need to come from? where?

Give me a few minutes and I will call the 75 million people who attended a professional UK sporting event in 2019 and ask them how they got there.

[GUBRATS]

12 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Give me a few minutes and I will call the 75 million people who attended a professional UK sporting event in 2019 and ask them how they got there.

I've told you 

Train , it's the future

[graveyard johnny]

14 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Give me a few minutes and I will call the 75 million people who attended a professional UK sporting event in 2019 and ask them how they got there.

thats not what i mean - the demography of the final is the point here

[RayCee]

58 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

that has nothing to do with the title of this topic 

With a title like that, I'm surprised any comment would be off topic. 

[graveyard johnny]

1 minute ago, RayCee said:

With a title like that, I'm surprised any comment would be off topic. 

ok- i wont submit it to penguin classics - back to the point please

[EggFace]

Boxing in the 1980s never got the crowds it gets in now apart from Frank Bruno v Joe Burger in 1987 yet the 80s CC final crowds were massive alongside some other Cup comps.

Edited May 4, 2022 by EggFace

[EggFace]

2 hours ago, Dunbar said:

Here is an article published in December 2019, so just before the pandemic, that shows the UK is the live sports attendance capital of the world and "the only country in the world whose sporting attendance is greater than its population"

https://twocircles.com/gb-en/articles/uk-named-world-capital-of-live-sport-following-new-attendance-analysis/

Let's be clear. If Rugby League events are suffering, it is not a social issue, it is a Rugby League issue.

I always said the best country in the world for sport are the countries with 4 codes and that is England, Australia, Ireland and the USA