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2 minutes ago, Jughead said:

I think there most definitely should be a focus on neutrals, though more aimed at the event crowd rather than blokes who support Batley or fans of Super League clubs who aren’t there. 

Agreed, my point is more that I expect we have always had around 30k, and we probably still get around 30k. The numbers make sense that way when yiu work through the flow of what I listed. 

A good example was the Catalans v Wire final. Wire probably had around 15k, Catalans 2 or 3k, there was probably around 30k neutrals who put it to late 40's. I think they announced 50k+, but clearly that wasn't true. 

Neutrals will always form part of the day, but I'm not convinced there is huge growth to be had for this game in London particularly, there is so much competition. 

None of that is to say we can't do better, I think we all agree we can, but I dont think it's realistic to expect the RFL to just sell another 15k tickets like that *clicks fingers* when Catalans make a final. In reality, we accept a lower crowd. That isn't an RL phenomenon. 

Say we got Catalans v Hudds in a final and we had 10 to 15k finalists fans, we'd probably get 50k yet the anger would be aimed at the RFL despite them doing their bit. 

RU saw they couldn't maintain their Twickenham cup, which was replaced by the European Cup to a large extent, but they have since added a cup comp which had huge amounts of empty seats at Brentford last week. 

We aren't doing as bad as some will have you believe, but I do think we are at risk of talking ourselves into another crisis, something we specialise in in RL. 

With some work I do believe we can get back to a 78k final, which would be really positive imho. 

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9 minutes ago, meast said:

And also the demographics and social landscape of towns like Leigh, and indeed Huddersfield have changed.

No longer are they working class mill and pit towns but mainly commuter towns, the sense of community has long gone, years gone by, local communities would be made up of the people who would frequent working men's clubs and tap rooms, communities would come together for the town's sporting teams and those communities would all go for a day or weekend in London once a year.

As I've said before, most people who now live in Huddersfield have no or very little connection to the town or its sporting teams, although as to be expected, some do jump oiithe bandwagon now and again, especially with the football.

Those glory days are long gone I'm afraid.

Whilst true it is up to the clubs and the game to find new ways to engage with people. Football still gets the crowds and other sports too. Yes clubs cant just take support for granted these days but I think its a good while since that was the case in Rugby League anyway. Getting into schools and engaging with youth is key to build up a new generation of fans. Saying we just cant attract people as either a club or sport and the game is up really.

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24 minutes ago, Dallas Mead said:

Love it 😂

 

imho it’ll land somewhere in the low 40,000s.  So poor whichever way you spin it.

It was part tongue in cheek, but also part a genuine question. Why should Catalans be discriminated against for lower than expected crowds?

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39 minutes ago, Damien said:

Whilst true it is up to the clubs and the game to find new ways to engage with people. Football still gets the crowds and other sports too. Yes clubs cant just take support for granted these days but I think its a good while since that was the case in Rugby League anyway. Getting into schools and engaging with youth is key to build up a new generation of fans. Saying we just cant attract people as either a club or sport and the game is up really.

I'd agree with that. Whilst @meast is right that the traditional RL communities are changing, it's up to the clubs to change with them. Maybe that "tribalism" nature of sports fandom and the club's ability to tap into that is waning, but that doesn't mean that you can't engage people in other ways and tap into both the local leisure market, as well as those people who may have left those RL towns for work or study. 

Wakefield arguably has the same challenge (arguably now overflow housing for people priced out of Leeds) but within a short drive of Belle Vue there is a huge development of housing where some plots are going for £500k. Which club  - or which business - wouldn't want that sort of market as their next door neighbours? 

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On 19/05/2022 at 14:08, daz39 said:

Latest i've heard is Wigan 8,250

Huddersfield 4,300

Leigh and Fev 3,600 between them.

Gonna need a few locals and neutrals to stop the seat counters whining.

Updated from what i've been told

Wigan 8,800

Huddersfield 5,300

Leigh and Fev 2,000 collectively

There ya go summat else for you seat counters to spit feathers at!

 

*edited for correction 

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6 minutes ago, daz39 said:

Updated from what i've been told

Wigan 8,800

Huddersfield 5,300

Leigh and Fev 4,100 collectively

There ya go summat else for you seat counters to spit feathers at!

That Leigh and Fev figure is way down on what I expected. What happened to 5k+ from each team?

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1 hour ago, Scubby said:

The four day week is for lightweights, I'm creating a 3-day week culture at my gaff

I just come in for a different view while surfing forums.. also it has a keyboard and mouse rather than using the lap top or tablet so it changes things up a bit which is always nice.

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16 minutes ago, Scubby said:

That Leigh and Fev figure is way down on what I expected. What happened to 5k+ from each team?

Can't fathom it. I know it's by no means scientific and not representative, but every Fev fan bar one that I know is going (about 50 folk). Struggling to believe that so many of the fan base are giving it a miss.

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3 minutes ago, David Shepherd said:

Can't fathom it. I know it's by no means scientific and not representative, but every Fev fan bar one that I know is going (about 50 folk). Struggling to believe that so many of the fan base are giving it a miss.

Fev still look to have around 800-1000 of their original allocation available for sale on their website.

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31 minutes ago, daz39 said:

Updated from what i've been told

Wigan 8,800

Huddersfield 5,300

Leigh and Fev 4,100 collectively

There ya go summat else for you seat counters to spit feathers at!

Every finalist bringing less than their average home gate is quite revealing.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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14 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Every finalist bringing less than their average home gate is quite revealing.

Nope, Huddersfield's is above their average, so far we are the only club to be taking more than our average crowds!

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Just now, daz39 said:

Nope, Huddersfield's is above their average, so far we are the only club to be taking more than our average crowds!

Okay - I had it mind your average was c.5,500 but I'm not going to quibble.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Okay - I had it mind your average was c.5,500 but I'm not going to quibble.

It's 5,100 so not so far off.

So we're doing ok it's the others the bedwetters should be gunning for......

The 2 top teams in the championship and the World's biggest club (self-proclaimed) have only sold about 10,000 more than Fartown between them but supposedly it's us that's embarrasing the game 😉

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59 minutes ago, Scubby said:

That Leigh and Fev figure is way down on what I expected. What happened to 5k+ from each team?

I think the cost of living crisis is having an impact. For most people it's close to a triple-figure sum just for the ticket and the transport, before any other expenses are taken into account, and a lot of families just aren't able to access that kind of money right now.

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On 23/05/2022 at 22:48, Man of Kent said:

It’s utterly normal for clubs to take more fans to London than their usual home gate so I don’t see why Huddersfield should be any different.

Circa 5K Giants fans would seem desperately poor. Hopefully it’s more than that as I can’t believe a rugby area like Kirklees would be so disinterested. It’s not like they are regular visitors. 

That's not a very fair assessment tbh. Yes Huddersfield are the only Super League club in Kirklees, but for starters they aren't even the only pro Rugby League club in the area. Plenty also follow "out of area" clubs like Leeds, Bradford and Wakefield so it isn't as clear cut. As for the game being strong there, it is in Kirklees, but the Huddersfield part of Kirklees is one of the weaker aspects of that.

I hope this game can galvanise the Giants fanbase. What is clear is that they are a relatively small to middling but very committed bunch, and a cup win might be just what they need to set them up for a bit more growth in the Watson era. Town being there might allow a few more casuals to be picked up too.

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1 minute ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

I think the cost of living crisis is having an impact. For most people it's close to a triple-figure sum just for the ticket and the transport, before any other expenses are taken into account, and a lot of families just aren't able to access that kind of money right now.

It is a lot to ask for a family right now, and we probably don't have enough blokes/adult only fans to compensate for that.

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2 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

I think the cost of living crisis is having an impact. For most people it's close to a triple-figure sum just for the ticket and the transport, before any other expenses are taken into account, and a lot of families just aren't able to access that kind of money right now.

It's over £100 i'd say, £55 tickets and you'd be lucky to get a train or coach for under £45, add on food and drink and travel in and around London and your probably looknig more at £150 per person, for a family that's the price of a holiday somewhere just to watch a couple of rugby games.

There's a hell of a lot of us struggling at the moment so i can totally understand why fans of the teams involved never mind neutrals are not forking out that kind of money to go, it may look poor on TV but so what? we're not a sport or an event aimed at upper class rich sods.

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I know a lot of Leigh fans who arent going due to cost and time of match - ie ticket plus transport plus a few beers and food will be £130 min, those looking to drive have been put off by parking and other costs, hotels are ridiculous all over London and the elephant in the room is the 12am KO which takes the craic away for many. We will have the annual CCF weekend crowd plus about 1500-2000.

My 2 suggestions are move it to Cardiff for the next 3 years as London is silly money, and if we are keeping the Championship cup then lets kick off at 1pm and 3.30pm

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