Buying tickets for the RLWC

[Tommygilf]

1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

Is that because no one at school explained the long words to you?

Careful or I will use the old boys network to find you and make you watch Union (which of course, I have 2 degrees to understand) 

[GUBRATS]

7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

All we're doing right now is selling to the same group over and over again - and, as might be expected, that produces diminishing returns.

I'm pretty worried about how poor sales for this World Cup are going to be. I've seen nothing to suggest that any attendance at any match is heading to wow factor territory.

Maybe by having simpler pricing and then marketing that fact we might pull in new fans , be they local with no previous RL connections or friends and family of those who intend to already go 

And if it means we can fill stadiums up earlier then the marketing has a bigger and bolder event to sell at the death 

But I don't know anything , it's all just an opinion , maybe " somebody said it couldn't be done " 

[GUBRATS]

22 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

 

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[GUBRATS]

21 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

 

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[GUBRATS]

19 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

 

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[gingerjon]

Just now, Damien said:

I think this is the problem that people ignore or pretend isn't the case.  The sport could though do absolutely more to cater for the demand it does have and to stimulate new demand.

I firmly see things like fixed prices as fluff that solves nothing and potentially results in a worse outcome.

 

It doesn't help when SOME UNNAMED POSTERS like to pretend that, for example, 1980s Kangaroos tours were wall to wall sell outs.

At best, that's misremembering and, at worst, well, I better not say.

But, we very rarely (never) sold out the football grounds we were playing in - which was fine at the time cos football didn't most of the time either - and a lot of the touring games were watched by quarter full grounds.

There is a very real argument to be made that the late 1980s and early 1990s were exceptions rather than the rule but even they weren't that good, really.

The issue now is that we, as a sport in the UK, need the boost that only well-attended, profitable and high-profile international games can bring and we seem to be drifting further and further away from that being possible.

[Dave T]

6 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

How do we know ?

Well we know there is no evidence, as we haven't done it, and neither has anyone else really. 

And we know demand is our issue, because we have tens of thousands of unsold seats. 

Now to contradict myself slightly.

Two examples of what you suggest. 

1. Paul Heaton gig at Saints ground, all tickets £35. Sold very well and will break the stadium record this week. 

2.RLWC. It hasn't been mentioned that the France v Greece game at Doncaster is taking your approach. All tickets £20 for adults and £2.21 for kids (from memory). 

Tickets are not flying off the shelf. But they don't seem to be for any game. 

[GUBRATS]

7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

All we're doing right now is selling to the same group over and over again - and, as might be expected, that produces diminishing returns.

I'm pretty worried about how poor sales for this World Cup are going to be. I've seen nothing to suggest that any attendance at any match is heading to wow factor territory.

Maybe by having simpler pricing and then marketing that fact we might pull in new fans , be they local with no previous RL connections or friends and family of those who intend to already go 

And if it means we can fill stadiums up earlier then the marketing has a bigger and bolder event to sell at the death 

But I don't know anything , it's all just an opinion , maybe " somebody said it couldn't be done " 

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Careful or I will use the old boys network to find you and make you watch Union (which of course, I have 2 degrees to understand) 

I'm quite happy to walk the very short walk to watch Hastings & Bexhill play.

No power on earth will make me sit through an international match these days.

(And *two degrees*, Tommy, you should have said ...)

[Tommygilf]

5 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I'm worried that we are heading for a 2000 style tournament. That tournament looked good in advance, and then it kicked off and we realised that despite all the positive commercial announcements and polished logos etc. the grounds were empty and it was all very hollow.

We are already starting to hear the signals from Dutton. Making excuses for no Aussie TV deal, moaning that we had to refund loads of tickets last year (did we really?), saying that we will only sell tickets at traditional grounds closer to the time (veryany games are at these grounds so that means we aren't selling many yet), and saying that sales are tough at the likes of Middlesborough and Coventry. We'll, no SH sherlock. 

England v Greece at Sheffield, the main stand seating along both touchline ranges from £55 to £85, apart from a couple of small blocks. 

Who thought that was the right price point and signed that off? 

Spot on.

[fighting irish]

8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Point 1 - The Rugby - I don't know what point 1 was, nor do I understand your answer.

6-7 pages is an awful lot to come to the conclusion that actually some tickets are worth more than others and should be priced accordingly... exactly as they are now anyway... - I was just happy that the topic and the suggestion was interesting enough to provoke such discussion. I agree, some tickets are worth more than others and the higher price you have to pay, is committing early.

Point 2 - Ticket Purchasing

You can't actually buy the tickets on an app I don't believe. You can purchase any ticket you want for a game that isn't sold out prior on the day via a walk up. Pointing that out isn't ageist. - It wasn't your comments that I was referring to but some else's, you just jumped in and snatched the microphone. My comments were particular to something someone else said. Claiming that what he said wasn't ageist implied you were defending him.

Point 3 - Ageism

Utter nonsense. I don't dismiss older people as being unable to use technology, nor do I see them being excluded as the traditional methods of purchase remain open, alive and kicking for this tournament. - Well my advice is to keep your nose out, rather than suggesting your own guilt by association.

Point 4 - Cashless to Euthanasia, the CCP, etc.

Not the thread for it mate. More than happy to discuss on the politics forum as it is a topic I find very interesting; my MA studies focused considerably on totalitarian regimes, particularly the Soviet Union and its acolytes. Hope to continue that discussion there if you would like? - I wasn't trying to hijack the thread and drive it towards some political discussion. I was just curious about how big a jump you think it is. Perhaps we can discuss it elsewhere, but my time is limited. 

Steady on mate. I think when the dust settles, you'll see that we are standing on the same side. I'm Rugby League, through and through. I think we both want the same things. I'm not the enemy.

[gingerjon]

6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Does anyone know where the northern powerhouse starts?

That's actually really good question.

So I looked it up.

Did you know it includes Wales?

https://northernpowerhouse.gov.uk/about/

[Tommygilf]

5 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I'm quite happy to walk the very short walk to watch Hastings & Bexhill play.

No power on earth will make me sit through an international match these days.

(And *two degrees*, Tommy, you should have said ...)

Pah, as if you think the old boys network would support the local game, it will be England vs Ireland in a game with no tries yet inexplicably also 60 points scored...

They're just the degrees for Union comprehension G.

[gingerjon]

Just now, Tommygilf said:

Pah, as if you think the old boys network would support the local game, it will be England vs Ireland in a game with no tries yet inexplicably also 60 points scored...

[fighting irish]

6 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

That's actually really good question.

So I looked it up.

Did you know it includes Wales?

https://northernpowerhouse.gov.uk/about/

Well if that's true, we should have had at least one game in Cardiff/Swansea.

[Tommygilf]

8 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

Steady on mate. I think when the dust settles, you'll see that we are standing on the same side. I'm Rugby League, through and through. I think we both want the same things. I'm not the enemy.

I don't believe anyone on this forum is an enemy mate

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, fighting irish said:

Well if that's true, we should have had at least one game in Cardiff/Swansea.

Looks like it's just North Wales. Wrexham is covered, but tbh, the crowds haven't been good there. 

[Damien]

8 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I'm worried that we are heading for a 2000 style tournament. That tournament looked good in advance, and then it kicked off and we realised that despite all the positive commercial announcements and polished logos etc. the grounds were empty and it was all very hollow.

We are already starting to hear the signals from Dutton. Making excuses for no Aussie TV deal, moaning that we had to refund loads of tickets last year (did we really?), saying that we will only sell tickets at traditional grounds closer to the time (veryany games are at these grounds so that means we aren't selling many yet), and saying that sales are tough at the likes of Middlesborough and Coventry. We'll, no SH sherlock. 

England v Greece at Sheffield, the main stand seating along both touchline ranges from £55 to £85, apart from a couple of small blocks. 

Who thought that was the right price point and signed that off? 

If that comes to pass I absolutely blame the pricing. Prices tripling or more for the same tickets, when compared to 2013, is hard to justify, as is the pricing for some of the lesser games.

The we only sell tickets at traditional grounds closer to the time comment is laughable. That buyer behaviour lays firmly at the door of the RFL. It's actually worrying that they can't even see that is a problem that they've caused.

It's amazing what a difference a year makes though because there certainly wasn't the negativity around the tournament before the delay than we have seen since.

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, fighting irish said:

Well if that's true, we should have had at least one game in Cardiff/Swansea.

North Wales (A55 corridor essentially) only.

Which does make Wrexham a possibility and might have been an interesting alternative.

[gingerjon]

Just now, Tommygilf said:

I don't believe anyone on this forum is an enemy mate

Hippy.

[gingerjon]

Just now, Dave T said:

Looks like it's just North Wales. Wrexham is covered, but tbh, the crowds haven't been good there. 

I think it would have been helpful to stretch our footprint a little.

Tonga v Wales in Wrexham rather than St Helens for example.

[Tommygilf]

9 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

That's actually really good question.

So I looked it up.

Did you know it includes Wales?

https://northernpowerhouse.gov.uk/about/

You're fricking joking!

I cannot believe we haven't pushed this to its limits. Not going to be a good look...

[Tommygilf]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Hippy.

Or I'm arranging the one's I do assassination right now to eliminate them from the sample. Who knows!!! Tehe

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Or I'm arranging the one's I do assassination right now to eliminate them from the sample. Who knows!!! Tehe

*hands my venison cutlet to the taster*

[Dave T]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I think it would have been helpful to stretch our footprint a little.

Tonga v Wales in Wrexham rather than St Helens for example.

Wales v Australia got fewer than 6k in the 4N although Wales v USA at 8k in 2013 wasn't horrendous. 

But I think we'll beat those crowds where they are. 

But I agree with the principle, I think the NorthWest of England could have staged one less game, we are certainly spoilt with the number of games at Wire, Saints, Leigh, Wigan, Bolton and Manchester (Trafford).