Mon 27th Jun: Ch: Barrow Raiders v Halifax Panthers KO 19:45 (Premier Sports)

[Bearman]

There seems to be a different viewpoint on the incident.

The Disciplinary Panel will arbitrate. 

[Colin James]

43 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Head into somebody else's head = headbutt , pulling somebody head one way while somebody else is pulling their body in a different direction = dangerous 

none of it was acceptable 

That's pretty much how I saw it. The initial high tackle was nothing, it was pulling his head that was the dangerous play and I suspect may have been picked up on review even if it didn't blow up.

[Davo5]

1 hour ago, David Shepherd said:

The way I saw it was a bit of sh1thousing from Miloudi and driving his head into Greg's to provoke a reaction, which he got.

Don't think it was a headbutt in the traditional sense. Miloudi will cop a few games because of his previous.

Greg was stupid and lost the plot, he'll sit out most of the summer. Direct attacks on the head should quite rightly be severely punished.

Gwaze should cop the biggest ban. Yes it looked like nothing, but he had no idea of the state Miloudi was in at the time he went to pick him up. This kind of action is never acceptable.

Good game though, 'fax very impressive. Dark horses for 2nd place.

Now don’t go posting sense,there’s a witch hunt in progress.

[The Blues Ox]

The first shot to the head, looks like a grab but its direct contact with the head and he has jumped off the floor to make the tackle. That should have been worth 10 minutes in the bin alone yet did not even warrant a penalty.

 

[Rockingchair]

50 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

The first shot to the head, looks like a grab but its direct contact with the head and he has jumped off the floor to make the tackle. That should have been worth 10 minutes in the bin alone yet did not even warrant a penalty.

 

I suspect Greg will get 5 to 8 matches , pretty sure he’s no previous and I think Paul Cullen said it was taken into consideration, I’d be surprised if miloudi given his previous didn’t get a lengthy ban also . I think gwaze will get a grade c two match ban ( moving an injured player ) And the ref Aaron Moore should be demoted , he looked nervous and lost control hence his reliance on his linesman and the whole incident could have been prevented with a more mature ref who would have called a penalty earlier and binned miloudi for the initial high contact ( should have been a red imo for the combined offences of high contact then head clash then head and neck grapple) ref failed to protect the player through incompetence.

[Niels]

I watched the game on free sports on repeat.

The two sending offs were absolutely correct. Punching a player is a unacceptable and a red card. So is pulling an injured player off the floor. 

I think a yellow was sufficient for the Barrow player as that is consistent with the head tackles at the moment. 

I thought Halifax won because their tactics were better. They reacted swiftly and re-organised after the sending offs whereas Barrow just left a space in the centre which led to 2 tries. 

They also ran at Sammut for 3 of the tries. 

Barrow didn't make the most of the wind in the first half either.

 

[Simon Hall]

Greg Worthington (Halifax) – Grade D Punching – Refer to Tribunal
Tendai Gwaze (Halifax) – Grade F Other Contrary Behaviour – Refer to Tribunal
Hakim Miloudi (Barrow) – Grade B Head Butt – 1 Match Penalty Notice

 

Miloudi has got off lightly there IMO. Blatant headbut and dangerous contact which sparked the whole thing. Maybe the panel took into account he got his just desserts at the time.

[The Blues Ox]

I presume Halifax will try to get Gwaze's grading downgraded as there is no way on earth that what he did should be worth an 8 match ban.

[GUBRATS]

7 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

I presume Halifax will try to get Gwaze's grading downgraded as there is no way on earth that what he did should be worth an 8 match ban.

I'd agree , but recalling Jamie Acton's ban for the Greg Bird incident , it'll fail , although at least Miloudi had actually been hit , unlike the scumbag Bird 

[The Blues Ox]

57 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

I'd agree , but recalling Jamie Acton's ban for the Greg Bird incident , it'll fail , although at least Miloudi had actually been hit , unlike the scumbag Bird 

If the player was prone on the floor then I would totally support the ban but the fact Miloudi is pretty much crawling on the floor just makes it look really soft. There was little chance of neck or back injury due to the nature of the incident and at very worse there could be a claim that its lifting someone with possible concussion. The fact that Miloudi did not have an HIA will no doubt come up in the hearing as well. The agent who represents both players has also come out and said he supports a ban but that ban been 8 matches is totally ridiculous. Gwaze has no previous and as a part time player is now likely to miss out on a lot of money if banned for 8 games and when times are tight like this I hope common sense preveils.

Its a shame as all the bans could have been avoided if the referee had taken the appropriate action on the pitch at the time.

[dkw]

8 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

I presume Halifax will try to get Gwaze's grading downgraded as there is no way on earth that what he did should be worth an 8 match ban.

It is though, its one of the worst things a player can do on the pitch and needs punished harshly to stop others even considering doing it.

[Jughead]

Fine with the gradings for both. There’s no need to touch Miloudi once he’s on the floor, so he can only expect a ban that’s going to be a pretty big deterrent from doing it again in future. 

[The Blues Ox]

9 hours ago, dkw said:

It is though, its one of the worst things a player can do on the pitch and needs punished harshly to stop others even considering doing it.

Each incident should be judged on its own merit. There is a huge difference between lifting a prone player who has had a late shot and lifting a player who has just been involved in a fist fight. The whole reason the rule was introduced was to protect against spinal injuries and there is no way Miloudi was going to be suffering from a spinal injury and as much as this part of the game does need stamping out so does the play acting side. Miloudi wasn't even deemed in a state that required an HIA which suggests there was an element of play acting involved.

[dkw]

6 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

 There is a huge difference between lifting a prone player who has had a late shot and lifting a player who has just been involved in a fist fight. .

No there isn't, there's no difference at all, because unless the offending player is a genius Doctor able to diagnose an injury by just looking at the player in the ground they will never know the extent of an injury.

The disciplinary can't let him off because the injured player wasn't harmed by his actions. 

[tec]

14 hours ago, dkw said:

No there isn't, there's no difference at all, because unless the offending player is a genius Doctor able to diagnose an injury by just looking at the player in the ground they will never know the extent of an injury.

The disciplinary can't let him off because the injured player wasn't harmed by his actions. 

Agree with you DKW both Fax players are going to get lengthy bans and rightly so. Some Fax fans seem obsessed with it. I wouldn’t be surprised if Yorkshire  TV make a documentary highlighting the injustice of it all.

[The Blues Ox]

14 hours ago, dkw said:

No there isn't, there's no difference at all, because unless the offending player is a genius Doctor able to diagnose an injury by just looking at the player in the ground they will never know the extent of an injury.

The disciplinary can't let him off because the injured player wasn't harmed by his actions. 

What are you going to do about cramp? You see where I am going with this, where do you draw the line. You can say I am not using common sense but how would any player unless they are a genius doctor know the difference between cramp and a torn say calf muscle that could actually do more damage by been stretched off? FWIW as I have said many times on the thread if someone is prone with a possible head/neck/spine injury then if our player lifted them they should be looking at a lengthy ban. As it is Titus would have been better waiting for Miloudi to come back on the field and just straight out stuck the nut on him and would be banned for less games.

On the flip side it does look like Titus has been dropped this week because of his actions.

[The Blues Ox]

14 minutes ago, tec said:

Agree with you DKW both Fax players are going to get lengthy bans and rightly so. Some Fax fans seem obsessed with it. I wouldn’t be surprised if Yorkshire  TV make a documentary highlighting the injustice of it all.

I can't speak for others but its the fact that the ref did not blow his whistle, and had no intention to, for the attacks on Worthington's head which if he did, and he had plenty of time to do it, would have meant us not losing two of our best players for a combined nearly half of the season. The original perpitrator only getting a one match ban for creating the whole incident just typifies the whole RL judiciary system for me.

[tec]

1 minute ago, The Blues Ox said:

I can't speak for others but its the fact that the ref did not blow his whistle, and had no intention to, for the attacks on Worthington's head which if he did, and he had plenty of time to do it, would have meant us not losing two of our best players for a combined nearly half of the season. The original perpitrator only getting a one match ban for creating the whole incident just typifies the whole RL judiciary system for me.

 I agree with Miloudi receiving a ban he did rub his head in Worthington head that’s not in dispute. The reaction from Worthington was a sending off and he will receive a long ban along with the player picking miloudi off the floor. The players know the rules and they won’t and can’t be changed because of provocation. 
Focus on how well Fax played in the game a good attacking team who on that showing are coming good at the right part of the season.

[Phil]

So the judiciary agree there was a head butt unlike some on here.

A quick count will show a gap of 6 seconds between Miloudi’s initial high contact on Worthington before the ref finally blew his whistle. That’s unacceptable 

[dkw]

1 hour ago, The Blues Ox said:

What are you going to do about cramp? You see where I am going with this,

Yeah, I see exactly where your going with it, which is why I'm done with it.

[The Blues Ox]

5 hours ago, dkw said:

Yeah, I see exactly where your going with it, which is why I'm done with it.

That was the response I expected and although my previous post was verging on ridiculous and stupid the question still remains the same, where do you draw the line? You can't have a one ban fits all for every incident. In this incident there is very little chance that the player has neck or spinal damage and worse case is likely to be concussion in which case moving a player with concussion will cause little if any further damage.

[SJD]

I've been struggling for the past few weeks to get an appointment with my GP, just wondering if you could help with a diagnosis.  

[dkw]

20 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

That was the response I expected and although my previous post was verging on ridiculous and stupid the question still remains the same, where do you draw the line? You can't have a one ban fits all for every incident. In this incident there is very little chance that the player has neck or spinal damage and worse case is likely to be concussion in which case moving a player with concussion will cause little if any further damage.

A single punch can kill someone, cause severe brain damage, all kinds of other things. Concussion us not worst case at all. 

That's why there's a rule for players to be punished should they do what the halifax player did.

This is ridiculous.

[dkw]

17 minutes ago, SJD said:

I've been struggling for the past few weeks to get an appointment with my GP, just wondering if you could help with a diagnosis.  

Just send him a photo of it, unless it is, you know....your little fella...

[The Blues Ox]

2 hours ago, dkw said:

A single punch can kill someone, cause severe brain damage, all kinds of other things. Concussion us not worst case at all. 

Now its your turn to get silly with your comparisons.