Wakefield Ram Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On this season's form it would have to be Batley as favourites but with Batley surprisingly losing at home to Widnes whom we almost beat away last week, who knows. Should be a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Flatter Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Beware the wounded dog might have a nasty bite! 4 Legs, Dews, Legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolie Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Watched them yesterday Widnes did a number on them, played Mount pleasant ground better than the dogs, Batley had no punch or flair, widnes on top all the second half. We turn up we've a chance Your only as good as your last game We got a draw away And they lost at home 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keep The Faith Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 4 hours ago, coolie said: Watched them yesterday Widnes did a number on them, played Mount pleasant ground better than the dogs, Batley had no punch or flair, widnes on top all the second half. We turn up we've a chance Your only as good as your last game We got a draw away And they lost at home As I said to you yesterday you can’t win a game defending 40 odd tackles before touching the ball mr Grant wasn’t the best… anyway I’m sure if we get Gledhill back in the middle we’ll be fine http://tombatley.wordpress.com/ Give it a read.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolie Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Keep The Faith said: As I said to you yesterday you can’t win a game defending 40 odd tackles before touching the ball mr Grant wasn’t the best… anyway I’m sure if we get Gledhill back in the middle we’ll be fine Don't point criticism at Mr Grant Or BSJ will be after you And for God's sake don't Google "Tom Grant Referee" It's a list of mistakes & apologies Least the lad is consistant If his only consistency is BAD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 11 hours ago, coolie said: Don't point criticism at Mr Grant Or BSJ will be after you And for God's sake don't Google "Tom Grant Referee" It's a list of mistakes & apologies Least the lad is consistant If his only consistency is BAD No referees, no game. Simple. Why do you think so many young referees are leaving the game, especially at the amateur level? It is largely because of unrelenting criticism from those who have never given it a go themselves. Hence there are fewer referees coming into the semi pro and FT ranks, leading to greater criticism; and so the spiral continues. And YOU talk about consistency. 4 Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeb1 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 next time at a game just watch the faces of james childs or robert hicks ( examples only) when recieving critisism from the fans , in a sadistic way they seem to enjoy the power they have Quote 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERSTUD Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 To add a bit of context to the referee subject. I personally thought the ref at Newcastle (Mr Bennett) I believe it was reffed the game very well. When the ref is fairly unnoticeable you know it’s going well. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolie Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Even better idea To avoid criticism against referees we simply do away with the video referee, leaving the men in the middle to do the job they're trained to do, the video referee takes away the decision they have to make.. It's a try or no try, when they referee a game with no cameras they have to make the call, without the video ref there could be no scrutiny if the decision is right or wrong. Sending up a decision on a guess (try or no try) is wrong, specially when the video ref has to find concrete evidence to over turn the (guess) of the referee Do away with (the on field decision) and the decision is simply sent upstairs and the video ref calls it as he sees it, if that happens the ref cannot make a mistake, and the pressure is taken off him, the ref still gets to give straight forward decisions, it's the contentious one where he recieves help Might actually improve referees by getting the crowd off their backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Flatter Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 hours ago, SUPERSTUD said: To add a bit of context to the referee subject. I personally thought the ref at Newcastle (Mr Bennett) I believe it was reffed the game very well. When the ref is fairly unnoticeable you know it’s going well. I had no problem with Nick Bennett’s refereeing of the match. He kept the game on the move and only awarded seven penalties (5 for Dewsbury). Slightly away from this thread: I have only one query of his decision making (which comes from watching the highlights). From our short kick off after Thunder took the lead and we got the ball, the referee was heard saying, “Dewsbury knock on”, but nothing given by him if there was one. Legs, Dews, Legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, coolie said: Even better idea To avoid criticism against referees we simply do away with the video referee, leaving the men in the middle to do the job they're trained to do, the video referee takes away the decision they have to make.. It's a try or no try, when they referee a game with no cameras they have to make the call, without the video ref there could be no scrutiny if the decision is right or wrong. Sending up a decision on a guess (try or no try) is wrong, specially when the video ref has to find concrete evidence to over turn the (guess) of the referee Do away with (the on field decision) and the decision is simply sent upstairs and the video ref calls it as he sees it, if that happens the ref cannot make a mistake, and the pressure is taken off him, the ref still gets to give straight forward decisions, it's the contentious one where he recieves help Might actually improve referees by getting the crowd off their backs You were criticising the referee at the Batley - Widnes game. How did the video referee interfere in this case? Spinning like a top again! Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Crown Flatter said: I had no problem with Nick Bennett’s refereeing of the match. He kept the game on the move and only awarded seven penalties (5 for Dewsbury). Slightly away from this thread: I have only one query of his decision making (which comes from watching the highlights). From our short kick off after Thunder took the lead and we got the ball, the referee was heard saying, “Dewsbury knock on”, but nothing given by him if there was one. Was it the referee or a TJ? All three are on the microphone, I believe. Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield Ram Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Blind side johnny said: Was it the referee or a TJ? All three are on the microphone, I believe. I would assume it's the TJ and the ref saw it differently, so overruled. Edited July 26, 2022 by Wakefield Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Flatter Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I like WR’s answer, so I believe that. Legs, Dews, Legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolie Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Blind side johnny said: You were criticising the referee at the Batley - Widnes game. How did the video referee interfere in this case? Spinning like a top again! I refrained from criticism at the Batley Vs Widnes game None of the contentious issues were not in scoring tries They were forward passes, 6 agains, high tackles, I'm surprised Hooley & Manning had heads at the end of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, coolie said: I refrained from criticism at the Batley Vs Widnes game None of the contentious issues were not in scoring tries They were forward passes, 6 agains, high tackles, I'm surprised Hooley & Manning had heads at the end of the game " And for God's sake don't Google "Tom Grant Referee" It's a list of mistakes & apologies Least the lad is consistant If his only consistency is " Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolie Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said: " And for God's sake don't Google "Tom Grant Referee" It's a list of mistakes & apologies Least the lad is consistant If his only consistency is " And where does its say it was his performance at Batley?? Put the football on and give your mind something else to do. Notice you didn't have nothing to say about removing the video ref to make the referee make his own calls Last post of the evening so you can argue with yourself Edited July 26, 2022 by coolie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakefield Ram Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Crown Flatter said: I like WR’s answer, so I believe that. It's the only logical explanation. The ref wouldn't shout Dewsbury knock on and not give it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jarce Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 "No ref no game" Bit of a pointless statement, as no players no game! Even better still, no fans no semi professional club! The game has been speeded up so much, players and ref's are expected to be super human. There was a reason we had proper scrums, and a play the ball using your foot (and gaining your feet first), it helped slow down the game and gave defences time to set. And the ref chance to catch his breath, and therefore make less mistakes (hopefully ) This need to speed everything up causes more issues for the ref rather than helping them manage the game. 5 "Life's tough.......It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERSTUD Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 13 hours ago, Wakefield Ram said: It's the only logical explanation. The ref wouldn't shout Dewsbury knock on and not give it. Correct. It was the ref who correctly overruled the touch judge. The Dewsbury player clearly knocked the ball in a backwards motion from the short kick off. I was literally 15 metres away with the same angle of view as the near side touch judge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy's mate Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Hugh Jarce said: "No ref no game" Bit of a pointless statement, as no players no game! Even better still, no fans no semi professional club! The game has been speeded up so much, players and ref's are expected to be super human. There was a reason we had proper scrums, and a play the ball using your foot (and gaining your feet first), it helped slow down the game and gave defences time to set. And the ref chance to catch his breath, and therefore make less mistakes (hopefully ) This need to speed everything up causes more issues for the ref rather than helping them manage the game. OMG and I always thought you were the opposite wit to my half I could be mistaken... 1 Touch Rugby W(h)inger and part-time Super Hero (Thursday mornings by appointment) BATLEY BULLDOGS RLFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jarce Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Piggy's mate said: OMG and I always thought you were the opposite wit to my half I could be mistaken... Granted not often, but every now & then, I do make a little sense. I do try to keep it to a minimum though... 2 "Life's tough.......It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 On 26/07/2022 at 20:19, coolie said: And where does its say it was his performance at Batley?? Put the football on and give your mind something else to do. Notice you didn't have nothing to say about removing the video ref to make the referee make his own calls Last post of the evening so you can argue with yourself You will be delighted to know that, thanks to your efforts, Tom Grant has been promoted to a SL game this weekend, and James Child being demoted to the Bash due to his blooper at the weekend. 1 Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolie Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Blind side johnny said: You will be delighted to know that, thanks to your efforts, Tom Grant has been promoted to a SL game this weekend, and James Child being demoted to the Bash due to his blooper at the weekend. If I was sat on a plane with Tom Grant, Chris Kendall, Liam Moore & James Child with 2 parachutes... And it was going to crash... Me & James Child would be getting off it alive Edited July 28, 2022 by coolie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, coolie said: If I was sat on a plane with Tom Grant, Chris Kendall, Liam Moore & James Child with 2 parachutes... And it was going to crash... Me & James Child would be getting off it alive Yes, but you would be the one wearing the rucksack. 2 Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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