Mojo Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, DavidM said: 1) Welsby 2)Makinson 3)Newman ( injury worries ) 4)Farnworth ( hopefully fit ) 5)Young ( he can tell me he doesn’t want to play ) 6)Williams 7)Tomkins 8 ) Walmsley 9)Radley 10) Thompson 11) Bateman 12) I’m not sure . Whitehead ? Mcmeeken/Batchelor 13) Knowles 14)Clark ( not sold but other options ?) 15) T Burgess 16)Oledzki 17) Dunno , Watkins / KPP to cover edge & centre I don't watch any SL but how does england spine compare to the top teams in the world cup. Surely Tomkins is the starting Fullback. I say that because I'm a warriors fan, I used to watch Tomkins back in the day and he actually played well. He wasn't amazing but he did have a few good games back in the day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Have to say, while Cherry-Evans and Munster are both very good, they are also very capable of having off days and they can make mistakes. They are not the 9 out of 10 every single game you got from the likes of Cronk and Thurston. I think there is a reason why they were the halves when Australia lost their first ever game against a tier 2 team. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, SydneyRoosters said: No Chance Cleary Starts Mal Meninga has already said Several times DCE Is Starting and DCE Has arguably been better than Cleary this season You're joking right? Cleary has been carrying the Panthers to the top of table with Luai for most of the season. DCE hasn't been consistent like Cleary. I don't remember Cleary having a bad game at all. Unfortunately DCE goes missing just like the last game they've played. And I don't remember Mal ever saying DCE will start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mojo said: I don't watch any SL but how does england spine compare to the top teams in the world cup. Surely Tomkins is the starting Fullback. I say that because I'm a warriors fan, I used to watch Tomkins back in the day and he actually played well. He wasn't amazing but he did have a few good games back in the day A lot of unknowns to be honest. Fitness and also how Wane will go in selection. If they are fit I expect him to go 1. Tomkins, 6. Lomax, 7. Williams. Edited August 15, 2022 by Dunbar 3 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Damien said: I think Cook needs his forwards to set the platform with quick the balls. I wouldn't like to write off Australia but their pack certainly isn't a standout to provide that. You would have thought with the 6 again rules, Cook would be truly excelling, but we (i) just dont see that he's kicked on. Still a wonderful player, but i'd go Grant and Koroisau ahead of him. Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Dunbar said: Aot of unknowns to be honest. Fitness and also how Wane will go in selection. If they are fit I expect him to go 1. Tomkins, 6. Lomax, 7. Williams. I've not seen Lomax in a few years. What type of 6 is he? Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mojo said: but how does england spine compare to the top teams in the world cup. I just did that in seconds to stimulate debate , but that spine is Welsby-Williams-Tomkins-Radley -Knowles . Pretty good I’d say 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 I think Radley could be a decent 9 for England and gives us mongrel yet mobility in the middle as well. Would love to see Roby give it one last crack. Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dunbar said: A lot of unknowns to be honest. Fitness and also how Wane will go in selection. If they are fit I expect him to go 1. Tomkins, 6. Lomax, 7. Williams. I think that's what makes england dangerous in the world cup. It's the unknown. No one knows what to expect from England. The big southern hemisphere teams will turn up at the world without knowing what type of game england will play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTK Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, MattSantos said: If you're saying Brown is one of the best players in the NRL then you need your head examined. Seriously? I like Hughes, but yes, injured now and possibly rushed back for playoffs. Not great prep, but i'm saying this more in hope as i alluded to. Who was playing hooker when Smith scored? It wasn't Smith. Munster is the only 6 in the NRL that you could say has performed better than Brown this season and even then Brown bested him when they met earlier this year. He's the best defensive five-eighth in the NRL by a very significant distance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_57 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 57 minutes ago, UTK said: I'm more worried Mal will go the other way - filling his wider squad with players eligible for other countries and only playing them in the weaker pool games to prevent them from lining up against Australia. This is a concern in coming years, Radradra was picked by Mal. Players like Olam, Kikau, Sivo or even Farnworth who were born & raised in other countries are eligible for Kangaroos under the 5 year rule. This year anyone who played in the pacific tests is locked in to those nations luckily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Mojo said: I think that's what makes england dangerous in the world cup. It's the unknown. No one knows what to expect from England. The big southern hemisphere teams will turn up at the world without knowing what type of game england will play. I don’t think Wane will do anything out of the box tbh , he’ll be safe and go tried and trusted and be pretty conservative. I’m not sure that’ll work but we’ll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, MattSantos said: I've not seen Lomax in a few years. What type of 6 is he? He is good without being great. He is the key playmaker for Saints who are the best team in the country so in the box seat for the 6 spot for me (although he is nursing a bicep injury and we don't know if he will be fit). He offers a decent passing and running game linking with edge forwards. Probably not as much pace or off the cuff brilliance to be a top top player but still a good stand off. 1 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, UTK said: I'm more worried Mal will go the other way - filling his wider squad with players eligible for other countries and only playing them in the weaker pool games to prevent them from lining up against Australia. There are just too many top class players for the PI nations now for that to be a major concern. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragingbull Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, DavidM said: 1) Welsby 2)Makinson 3)Newman ( injury worries ) 4)Farnworth ( hopefully fit ) 5)Young ( he can tell me he doesn’t want to play ) 6)Williams 7)Tomkins 8 ) Walmsley 9)Radley 10) Thompson 11) Bateman 12) I’m not sure . Whitehead ? Mcmeeken/Batchelor 13) Knowles 14)Clark ( not sold but other options ?) 15) T Burgess 16)Oledzki 17) Dunno , Watkins / KPP to cover edge & centre I take it you have been in the local Wetherspoons since opening time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyRoosters Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mojo said: You're joking right? Cleary has been carrying the Panthers to the top of table with Luai for most of the season. DCE hasn't been consistent like Cleary. I don't remember Cleary having a bad game at all. Unfortunately DCE goes missing just like the last game they've played. And I don't remember Mal ever saying DCE will start. Idk about Cleary not having a bad game at all. Getting Sent off 15 minutes in and costing your the next 5 matches is a pretty bad game in my eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_57 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 47 minutes ago, UTK said: They are going to be extremely strong, the forward pack in particular is going to be one of the best we've seen assembled for a very long time IMO and they have the spine to back it up. One weakness for them is probably the lack of depth at centre, especially with Reimis Smith ruled out for the season. For team balance I would've considered playing Te Maire Martin at fullback with Joey Manu left in the centres but Madge has made it clear Manu will be fullback (which is understandable anyway) Was going to list my side but this is practically the same, I would have only slightly different pack. 8. Tapine, 9. Smith, 10. JFH, 11. KBromwich, 12. Papali'i, 13. Harris 14. JMK, 15. NAS, 16. JWH, 17. Niukore I’ve liked the look of Timoko at the Raiders this year from the 4-5 games I’ve had the chance to catch. I’d go him & Hiku as centres with Manu at fullback and TMM backup or bench utility. It is a shame Reimis Smith is out as he looked great last year and this year before his injury. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ragingbull said: I take it you have been in the local Wetherspoons since opening time. Good contribution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, UTK said: I'm more worried Mal will go the other way - filling his wider squad with players eligible for other countries and only playing them in the weaker pool games to prevent them from lining up against Australia. With squad sizes of only 24 I don't think anyone would do that. It would be crazy for anyone to do anything other than pick who they see as being the best 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, Damien said: With squad sizes of only 24 I don't think anyone would do that. It would be crazy for anyone to do anything other than pick who they see as being the best 24. And utility players will be of great value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, MattSantos said: I've not seen Lomax in a few years. What type of 6 is he? I know Saints fans will differ but I've never seen an international class 6 there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyRoosters Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Damien said: With squad sizes of only 24 I don't think anyone would do that. It would be crazy for anyone to do anything other than pick who they see as being the best 24. Hopefully They Make the squads Bigger 26-27 men is the right size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, UTK said: Munster is the only 6 in the NRL that you could say has performed better than Brown this season and even then Brown bested him when they met earlier this year. He's the best defensive five-eighth in the NRL by a very significant distance. Manu when he's played at 6 has been better. As as Burton, Luai, Cody Walker and maybe even Dearden. To say that Brown is one of the best players in the NRL is absolutely deluded. I'd rather have Wighton and even the fella at Wests whose name escapes me than Brown. Dylan Brown. Jesus. 1 Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, SydneyRoosters said: Idk about Cleary not having a bad game at all. Getting Sent off 15 minutes in and costing your the next 5 matches is a pretty bad game in my eyes The Panthers have dominated this season so much even if they lose the last remaining games they'll still finished 1st. The Panthers will have a fresh Cleary and a fully healthy Luai in the playoffs and I don't see any teams beating then. DCE's manly are on a 4 game losing streak and DCE hasn't performed well in any of those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Have to say, while Cherry-Evans and Munster are both very good, they are also very capable of having off days and they can make mistakes. They are not the 9 out of 10 every single game you got from the likes of Cronk and Thurston. I think there is a reason why they were the halves when Australia lost their first ever game against a tier 2 team. Would massively agree with this. Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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