JM2010 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Wane obviously has a team to pick but I think there's two positions which are the most difficult as it's a straight shootout between 2 players who are extremely difficult to leave out. Welsby or Tomkins? Radley or Knowles? All 4 are international class players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Well, you pick all of them at present. 3 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 All four in the squad and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) I mean starting 13 Edited August 15, 2022 by JM2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyRoosters Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, JM2010 said: Wane obviously has a team to pick but I think there's two positions which are the most difficult as it's a straight shootout between 2 players who are extremely difficult to leave out. Welsby or Tomkins? Radley or Knowles? All 4 are international class players 12-Knowles 13-Radley Tomkins Starts, Welsby of the bench or at centre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, JM2010 said: I mean starting 13 So did I, there are plenty of options for the open style of the coach you could even put Welsby somewhere completelt different and he'd do a fantastic Job. The real conundrums are not who to pick but, will Wigan Players know what to do without French & Saunders and will Saints internationals know what to do in a game where they aren't completely the dominant? 2 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, SydneyRoosters said: 12-Knowles 13-Radley Tomkins Starts, Welsby of the bench or at centre I quite like that although I'm not sure if I'd leave Newman out (if fit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Knowles on the edge would be a poor move and probably blocks a deserving back rower from playing. If Knowles is to play he should be selected to play the role he plays now at Saints. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Jughead said: Knowles on the edge would be a poor move and probably blocks a deserving back rower from playing. If Knowles is to play he should be selected to play the role he plays now at Saints. Would you pick Knowles over Radley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyRoosters Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, JM2010 said: I quite like that although I'm not sure if I'd leave Newman out (if fit) Yeah True Welsby 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, JM2010 said: Would you pick Knowles over Radley? To start a game with, yeah. I’d have Knowles at 13 and Radley off the bench if England played Samoa tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Tomkins will be England captain, nailed on to play fullback. Welsby will be in the 17, its just a question of where. Knowles & Radley - who knows, wouldn't surprise me if Wane picked Sutton ahead of both of them ! I’m not prejudiced, I hate everybody equally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastLondonMike Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) Who do people think has greater value currently? Farnworth or Welsby? As we could easily slot Welsby into the Centre position with Farnworth onto the wing, but do we lose some value from not having Farnworth in the centre? If for instance at some stage in a game Wane moved Tomkins from FB into the halves, with Welsby slotting in at FB, would you then move an edge back rower into the centre to cover Welsby? As we wouldn't be carrying a winger on the bench, so moving Farnworth (in this scenario) into the centre would cause another potential problem. Personally I'd pick Farnworth and Newman as our 1st choice centres. But the above scenario could work. I would like to see a game plan where our centres and wingers are used with a bit more creativity. We've seen centres doubling up down one edge in years gone past, and in some games in the NRL this season, so employing these type of attacking tactics could really work, if done effectively. Wingers running off props/middle forwards down the centre looking for an offload as another example. Centres and wingers switching positions in certain attacking plays also to add some variety. I'd also start Radley at 13 with Knowles coming off the bench for some impact. Though think Knowles could do a stint prop as well as 13. Lots to think on for Shaun wane. Edited August 15, 2022 by EastLondonMike 2 Newham Dockers - Champions 2013. Rugby League For East London. 100% Cockney Rugby League!Twitter: @NewhamDockersRL - Get following! www.newhamdockers.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 If fit I would have Newman and Farnworth in the centre so I wouldn't shift Welsby there. I think all things being equal, I would start Tomkins at 1. But Weslby has to be in the 17. As for Knowles and Radley. Both top class, I would probably edge to Knowles at the moment and so I think Radley starting at 9 with a running 9 on the bench may be the best option. No way I would move Knowles to ab edge as you are just dulling his strengths and we have better options there. 5 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dunbar said: If fit I would have Newman and Farnworth in the centre so I wouldn't shift Welsby there. I think all things being equal, I would start Tomkins at 1. But Weslby has to be in the 17. As for Knowles and Radley. Both top class, I would probably edge to Knowles at the moment and so I think Radley starting at 9 with a running 9 on the bench may be the best option. No way I would move Knowles to ab edge as you are just dulling his strengths and we have better options there. I agree re Knowles, if you're a solid middle, you usually aren't that great on an edge at that level. Who are the better edge options? Not sure of form, but Bateman nailed on for 1 spot i would imagine. Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, MattSantos said: I agree re Knowles, if you're a solid middle, you usually aren't that great on an edge at that level. Who are the better edge options? Not sure of form, but Bateman nailed on for 1 spot i would imagine. I expect to see Whitehead and Bateman in there because I think Wane will go with the tried and tested route. I really like both of them but personally, I think that Whitehead's form has been well down this year and while I like Bateman's toughness I still think he is a little small for the monster edge forwards we will be see at the World Cup. At there best though, you would expect these two to be in the 13. As for alternatives, I like Joe Batchelor at Saints while McMeeken or even Pearce-Paul can add a bit of size. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, MattSantos said: I agree re Knowles, if you're a solid middle, you usually aren't that great on an edge at that level. Who are the better edge options? Not sure of form, but Bateman nailed on for 1 spot i would imagine. Bateman,McMeeken,Whitehead,Batchelor form player in that list is probably Batchelor but he’s never reached the levels Bateman and Whitehead have. I think Wane will think he can get the best out of them two again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastLondonMike Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Wane has to challenge Whitehead, Bateman, McMeeken, Batchelor, Currie or whichever back rowers get selected to make one of those two spots their own. Current/recent form demands both Bateman and Whitehead have to show they are worth it. Still time for both to play themselves into some form. Assuming Canberra make the 8 in the NRL. Newham Dockers - Champions 2013. Rugby League For East London. 100% Cockney Rugby League!Twitter: @NewhamDockersRL - Get following! www.newhamdockers.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, EastLondonMike said: Wane has to challenge Whitehead, Bateman, McMeeken, Batchelor, Currie or whichever back rowers get selected to make one of those two spots their own. Current/recent form demands both Bateman and Whitehead have to show they are worth it. Still time for both to play themselves into some form. Assuming Canberra make the 8 in the NRL. Canberra wont make the 8. Might be a good thing as Whitehead could just do with a rest given the ay he plays. Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) Raiders have a good draw to finish whereas Roosters finish with Storm and Souths , but play Wests next . Broncos and Parra have Dragons and Dogs in the run in so they should be fine . I think the 8 will be as it is now and they’re the best sides Edited August 15, 2022 by DavidM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Dunbar said: I expect to see Whitehead and Bateman in there because I think Wane will go with the tried and tested route. I really like both of them but personally, I think that Whitehead's form has been well down this year and while I like Bateman's toughness I still think he is a little small for the monster edge forwards we will be see at the World Cup. At there best though, you would expect these two to be in the 13. As for alternatives, I like Joe Batchelor at Saints while McMeeken or even Pearce-Paul can add a bit of size. I'd pick Watkins. He's big, agile, strong, fast and skillful. One of the form 2nd rowers at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 It’s a subject of some furious debate but at the moment you cannot ignore the form of Dom Young on the wing! This has nothing to do with NRL v SL, he’s just playing very well and the parts of his game in which he’s excelling are the ones we really need, such as yardage off his own line, kick returns and fielding cross field kicks. I think it might be exciting to see a virtually new three quarter line containing Makinson, Newman, Farnworth and Young. They might be a revelation but it could also go very wrong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 52 minutes ago, OMEGA said: It’s a subject of some furious debate but at the moment you cannot ignore the form of Dom Young on the wing! This has nothing to do with NRL v SL, he’s just playing very well and the parts of his game in which he’s excelling are the ones we really need, such as yardage off his own line, kick returns and fielding cross field kicks. I think it might be exciting to see a virtually new three quarter line containing Makinson, Newman, Farnworth and Young. They might be a revelation but it could also go very wrong I agree Young has definitely played himself into the reckoning. If the team was picked solely on form I'd also consider Murphy at Wakefield although he might be a bit inexperienced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1.Welsby 2.Makinson 3.Farnworth 4.Newman 5.Burgess 6.Lomax 7.Tomkins 8.Walmsley 9.Roby 10.Thompson 11. Bateman 12. McMeekin 13.Knowles 14.Burgess 15.Radley 16.Farrell 17.Oledzki 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, OMEGA said: It’s a subject of some furious debate but at the moment you cannot ignore the form of Dom Young on the wing! This has nothing to do with NRL v SL, he’s just playing very well and the parts of his game in which he’s excelling are the ones we really need, such as yardage off his own line, kick returns and fielding cross field kicks. I think it might be exciting to see a virtually new three quarter line containing Makinson, Newman, Farnworth and Young. They might be a revelation but it could also go very wrong Isn’t he playing for Jamaica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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