Tommygilf Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 7 hours ago, DOGFATHER said: Very true, but the further away the lower divisions are from SL standards, means development opportunities for younger players to get them SL ready decreases. Which long term equates to lower standards in the top division. The decrease in quality means less interest in the game as a whole, fewer spectators, and less money for future TV deals until there is so little interest, the game ends up back where it started, as a semi pro sport. It isn't rocket science! Apologies, I wasn't arguing that there is no reason for the lower leagues to get no funding from Super League, rather that the idea of them getting equal funding is nonsensical. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 7 hours ago, Harry Stottle said: To right Dogfather, a lot of people just simply have no idea what damage will be done to the sport if SL say bye bye to the Championship and L1. If SL want to undermine the foundations they do so at their own risk and eventually the building will start tottering and come crashing down. The last statement from @Tommygilf "after all we are not communists" just typifies the ignorance and insular thinking that so many people have. 6 hours ago, Harry Stottle said: Very correct, I thought that Rugby League was supposed to be more like a family who help each other out, only when it suits I guess? The Rugby League family does and has provided lots of funding from Super League downwards. In fact that is the single largest sum of funding for many aspects of Rugby League. That doesn't mean we should be giving League 1 Oldham the same money as Super League Hull FC though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fevrover Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Tommygilf said: The Rugby League family does and has provided lots of funding from Super League downwards. In fact that is the single largest sum of funding for many aspects of Rugby League. That doesn't mean we should be giving League 1 Oldham the same money as Super League Hull FC though. Agree on that SL should definitely get more but as i read it it sounded SL wernt giving ANY money to Championship or League 1 buy i might have read it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, Fevrover said: Agree on that SL should definitely get more but as i read it it sounded SL wernt giving ANY money to Championship or League 1 buy i might have read it wrong. I suppose it also depends on the raw amounts being received too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 8 hours ago, Damien said: I am more than happy for the Championship and League 1 clubs to get funding but that funding should be at a sustainable part time level with equal funding between all teams in the same league. Bottom up hey Damien, why not base it on any full time teams in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Bottom up hey Damien, why not base it on any full time teams in the Championship Because there is no money for that, that should be obvious. There wasn't even the money for that in the last TV deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Parker Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Tommygilf said: The Rugby League family does and has provided lots of funding from Super League downwards. In fact that is the single largest sum of funding for many aspects of Rugby League. That doesn't mean we should be giving League 1 Oldham the same money as Super League Hull FC though. Easy to say when you are in SL and getting the 2M gift. Lets say your team got relegated next year and for whatever reason "act of God" got relegated the following year would you still be spouting off the same old ######? or would you manage on 20K INSTEAD OF THE 2000K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Tommygilf said: The Rugby League family does and has provided lots of funding from Super League downwards. In fact that is the single largest sum of funding for many aspects of Rugby League. That doesn't mean we should be giving League 1 Oldham the same money as Super League Hull FC though. Yes it has, but the question is will it continue to do so? Especially in the light of a further reduction from the next TV contract, I posted an extract from what Mr Leneghan desires, SL had no option but to keep the lower league funding going until the next TV discussions are completed, I am not at all confident it will carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 27 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said: Easy to say when you are in SL and getting the 2M gift. Lets say your team got relegated next year and for whatever reason "act of God" got relegated the following year would you still be spouting off the same old ######? or would you manage on 20K INSTEAD OF THE 2000K Its not £2million gift, its £2million earnings. (FYI its not even actually £2million but I'm not one to quibble). Liverpool don't get a £79 million basic share of TV rights from the Premier League just because of the League's charity. My club gets relegated to League 1 and it would still have one of the biggest revenues in the sport. Take away the Super League funding and that is true. That is why they are successful, because the TV money is just one part of a portfolio of income streams also including matchday, commercial, merchandise and competition winnings (the latter is pretty small however). Seeing it as a handout is a fundamental flaw. Its earned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Yes it has, but the question is will it continue to do so? Especially in the light of a further reduction from the next TV contract, I posted an extract from what Mr Leneghan desires, SL had no option but to keep the lower league funding going until the next TV discussions are completed, I am not at all confident it will carry on. I don't disagree H. Ultimately there is an income figure at which SL will say "that is the minimum we need, the rest is negotiable". If the money coming in gets to that level or lower, then that is where bother is likely to come from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 12 hours ago, Fevrover said: It's supposed to be RUGBY-LEAGUE not just SL is it not ? Where will SL get there players from in England if bottom 2 tiers goes belly up? Can't get them all from Australia and New Zealand. They won't go belly up if they cut their cloth accordingly.. They shouldn't have sold the rights to Sky in the first place. Was always going to throw them on the fire. Also it is just SL they are separate to the RFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fevrover Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 10 hours ago, yipyee said: They won't go belly up if they cut their cloth accordingly.. They shouldn't have sold the rights to Sky in the first place. Was always going to throw them on the fire. Also it is just SL they are separate to the RFL I thought they had come back together, must have misunderstood. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Hand and Foot Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 17 hours ago, Tommygilf said: The Rugby League family does and has provided lots of funding from Super League downwards. In fact that is the single largest sum of funding for many aspects of Rugby League. That doesn't mean we should be giving League 1 Oldham the same money as Super League Hull FC though. Oh I don't know! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Parker Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Fevrover said: I thought they had come back together, must have misunderstood. Coming back together but not sharing any cash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Derwent Parker said: Coming back together but not sharing any cash Apart from the cash being shared. 4 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The storm Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Just have a 6 team super league Wigan, saints, hull, leeds, warrington, castleford Thats the ridiculous way its shaping up with this 10 team nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Parker Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, gingerjon said: Apart from the cash being shared. The real cash not the loose change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glemiln Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 17 hours ago, Tommygilf said: My club gets relegated to League 1 and it would still have one of the biggest revenues in the sport. Take away the Super League funding and that is true. That is why they are successful, because the TV money.... But if your club had not been eligible to SL riches at the time, would the top players and current income streams, etc have followed to enable even limited success? £20k as a starting point is a different ball game! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 39 minutes ago, glemiln said: But if your club had not been eligible to SL riches at the time, would the top players and current income streams, etc have followed to enable even limited success? £20k as a starting point is a different ball game! So now we're making my club not my club to prove a point that they would be poorer if they were poorer 25 years ago? That seems logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Tommygilf said: I don't disagree H. Ultimately there is an income figure at which SL will say "that is the minimum we need, the rest is negotiable". If the money coming in gets to that level or lower, then that is where bother is likely to come from. And what formula do you reckon SL will use to derive the acceptable minimum figure, considering there must be varying levels that each club would consider as a "get by figure", e.g. I wouldn't expect Leeds to need as much as say Wakefield but then again I wouldn't expect Leeds to accept any less, so how do they come to "that is the minimum we need" surely other than a wet finger stuck in the air to see which way the wind blows, someone somewhere will have to do the 'figerin out', it really is a serious question it could be the mere existance of some Championship clubs never mind L1 clubs who will be sweating on the outcome. Edited September 2, 2022 by Harry Stottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: So now we're making my club not my club to prove a point that they would be poorer if they were poorer 25 years ago? That seems logical. Yes, but just think how different things would be if they had been different. Makes you think. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Yes, but just think how different things would be if they had been different. Makes you think. Matt Le Tissier as I live and breath! Makes you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Yes, but just think how different things would be if they had been different. Makes you think. A bit like this, is it a different direction for both men one going up and one going down? Makes you think. Edited September 2, 2022 by Harry Stottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 On 02/09/2022 at 08:40, Fevrover said: I thought they had come back together, must have misunderstood. Joint venture I think, so still separate but agree to work together (for now) who knows what it will look like after IMG are finished 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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