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Sat 3rd Sept: SL: Hull FC v Hull Kingston Rovers KO 15:00


Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

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1 hour ago, LeeF said:

What exactly do you mean by the phrase in bold? If a player commits a foul that is worthy of a ban then they should be banned. No ifs no buts no special considerations

Some of the disciplinary decisions this season, specifically the length of bans, have been ridiculous (and I certainly don't just mean Rovers). Jez Litten's current two matches for a pretty ordinary tackle, with a 100 game unblemished record prior, being a case in point. I'm not talking about special considerations, I'm talking about adjusting the mindset of the sanctioning committee all of the time, for all clubs. 

Apparently this site says I "won the day" here on 23rd Jan, 19th Jan, 9th Jan also 13th December, whatever any of that means. Anyway, 4 times in a few weeks? The forum must be going to the dogs - you people need to seriously up your game. Where's Dutoni when you need him?

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4 hours ago, FearTheVee said:

I'm not sure it embarrasses the RFL into change but it should probably embarrass your conditioning team and the players picking up bans despite knowing how low you are on numbers.

Injuries are part of the game but there must surely be something amiss when there are so many out across first team and reserve grades that you can cancel a reserve team fixture and still not name 17 players.  Player welfare isn't just the responsibility of fixture planners, what on earth is going on?

No, injuries just spike some times. If you think Rovers are the only club with a lot of injuries at the moment due to the unprofessional schedule the RFL insists upon, I've a bridge to sell you. Plenty of clubs name 17 players and only rotate 16 for this very reason - Rovers have simply chosen to make a point this time. 

If you parked your one-eyed "I must criticize them because its not my own club" mindset for 5 mins you could see that

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Apparently this site says I "won the day" here on 23rd Jan, 19th Jan, 9th Jan also 13th December, whatever any of that means. Anyway, 4 times in a few weeks? The forum must be going to the dogs - you people need to seriously up your game. Where's Dutoni when you need him?

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6 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Rovers clearly could name a 17 or 18 if necessary, but a few factors weigh against doing so >

- Any junior players outside our top 40 who haven't already been fast-tracked are part-time at best and certainly aren't physically ready for Super League, especially a Derby. Player welfare is a factor. Remember we've done that with two 17 year olds already so we do promote youth when safe and appropriate to do so.

- Sometimes clubs know that and name a full 18/17 anyway to tick the box, but only rotate 16 in the match, but...

- Rovers are taking the opportunity to make a very visible, public point to the RFL about their policies around player welfare, disciplinary common sense, and late loan registration in exceptional circumstances

The swivel-eyed loon minority of FC's mainly rational supporters will of course make hay with this, but I think it's in all clubs' interests that the RFL changes its approach, so if anything we're doing your club and everyone else a favour!

 

The player welfare point is certainly a valid one, and if that's what this is about then that's fair enough. The rest isn't, injuries are part of the game, and whilst having 15+ players injured isn't common it's certainly not unheard of. Rovers have a reserves team and and academy to cover it. And if you are suggesting the disciplinary should take it easy on teams who are already struggling with injury then I couldn't agree less.

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1 hour ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

No, injuries just spike some times. If you think Rovers are the only club with a lot of injuries at the moment due to the unprofessional schedule the RFL insists upon, I've a bridge to sell you. Plenty of clubs name 17 players and only rotate 16 for this very reason - Rovers have simply chosen to make a point this time. 

If you parked your one-eyed "I must criticize them because its not my own club" mindset for 5 mins you could see that

I like Rovers, I'm not criticising because they're not my club, I'm criticising because they look silly running a reserve team and still being unable to field XVII players.  What point are they trying to make exactly?  Don't ban our players if we have injuries?  The fixture list is stupid?  If it's the latter it's not much of a point given double game weekends have already been binned from next year.

It just looks a bit small time and whiffs of a bit of a victim complex to boot.

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Whatever the debate about suspensions the fact remains that Hull KR have 29 players unavailable for this game. Yes TWENTY NINE.

Of the 16 who will feature against Hull four are teenagers who have recently debuted and would not be anywhere near this fixture normally. Of the rest 6 will be playing with pain killing injections.

The Rovers 16 will give everything and won't roll over but have no full backs, no half backs and no hookers. The players who have the guile to create are all missing, Coote, Abdull, Lewis, Kenny-Dowall,  Parcell, Litten etc.

There are only 2 possible outcomes to this game - either a Hull win or the most humiliating Hull loss ever in the history of derby games. Sadly I can only see the former outcome.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Some of the disciplinary decisions this season, specifically the length of bans, have been ridiculous (and I certainly don't just mean Rovers). Jez Litten's current two matches for a pretty ordinary tackle, with a 100 game unblemished record prior, being a case in point. I'm not talking about special considerations, I'm talking about adjusting the mindset of the sanctioning committee all of the time, for all clubs. 

The bans have all been in line with the parameters set out in the Operational Rules which were circulated to all clubs before the start of the season. 
 

I have zero issues with getting dangerous and foul play out of the game and if players won’t do that with the assistance of their coaches then the Disciplinary Panel, who are headed by an independent judge, have no alternative other than issue sanctions

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3 hours ago, FearTheVee said:

I like Rovers, I'm not criticising because they're not my club, I'm criticising because they look silly running a reserve team and still being unable to field XVII players.  What point are they trying to make exactly?  Don't ban our players if we have injuries?  The fixture list is stupid?  If it's the latter it's not much of a point given double game weekends have already been binned from next year.

It just looks a bit small time and whiffs of a bit of a victim complex to boot.

You can see in another post above that FC named a 17 but only rotated 16 the other week. Many clubs have this challenge and have done similar in the past. Rovers have 29 players out and with player registrations closed simply don’t have more players who are safely able to play, it is what it is. Should teams have more than 45 SuperLeague-ready-right-now players on their books? That’s totally unrealistic 
 

I applaud KR for not going along with a charade of naming a non-playing player, and in so doing highlighting the RFLs ridiculous policies in the 3 areas I identified. If you think that’s small-time, so be it, I couldn’t give a monkeys personally I think it’s the transparent response of the adults in the room. 

Apparently this site says I "won the day" here on 23rd Jan, 19th Jan, 9th Jan also 13th December, whatever any of that means. Anyway, 4 times in a few weeks? The forum must be going to the dogs - you people need to seriously up your game. Where's Dutoni when you need him?

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57 minutes ago, LeeF said:

The bans have all been in line with the parameters set out in the Operational Rules which were circulated to all clubs before the start of the season. 
 

I have zero issues with getting dangerous and foul play out of the game and if players won’t do that with the assistance of their coaches then the Disciplinary Panel, who are headed by an independent judge, have no alternative other than issue sanctions

The parameters have ranges which allow for judgement. I’m questioning the judgement being applied, within those parameters.

Agree or disagree with my own judgement, but don’t just chuck out some patronising “them’s the rules sunshine” response like I’m suggesting the rules shouldn’t be applied. That’s just a strawman. 

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Apparently this site says I "won the day" here on 23rd Jan, 19th Jan, 9th Jan also 13th December, whatever any of that means. Anyway, 4 times in a few weeks? The forum must be going to the dogs - you people need to seriously up your game. Where's Dutoni when you need him?

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1 hour ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

The parameters have ranges which allow for judgement. I’m questioning the judgement being applied, within those parameters.

Agree or disagree with my own judgement, but don’t just chuck out some patronising “them’s the rules sunshine” response like I’m suggesting the rules shouldn’t be applied. That’s just a strawman. 

No strawman here old sunshine. Just the facts

Litten appealed didn’t he and lost so looks like your judgement is wrong unless you are claiming that both the MRP and the Disciplinary Panel, led by an independent Hugh court judge, are wrong 

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1 hour ago, LeeF said:

No strawman here old sunshine. Just the facts

Litten appealed didn’t he and lost so looks like your judgement is wrong unless you are claiming that both the MRP and the Disciplinary Panel, led by an independent Hugh court judge, are wrong 


Yes, self-evidently I am. My judgement is different, and I’d argue on the evidence of that particular scenario clearly better.

If you think the disciplinary panel has trodden the right line this season then I’ve a bridge to sell you, but you’re free to crack on. I’m hardly alone in the game in thinking that. And no, that doesn’t make me some “the game has gone soft” luddite. 

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Apparently this site says I "won the day" here on 23rd Jan, 19th Jan, 9th Jan also 13th December, whatever any of that means. Anyway, 4 times in a few weeks? The forum must be going to the dogs - you people need to seriously up your game. Where's Dutoni when you need him?

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12 hours ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Could be the lowest attendance for a Hull derby for a while cannot see more than 12000 (Hope I am wrong:)

 

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Rovers have sold out the North Stand so attendance might not be as bad as feared 

Apparently this site says I "won the day" here on 23rd Jan, 19th Jan, 9th Jan also 13th December, whatever any of that means. Anyway, 4 times in a few weeks? The forum must be going to the dogs - you people need to seriously up your game. Where's Dutoni when you need him?

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36 minutes ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Rovers have sold out the North Stand so attendance might not be as bad as feared 

And the West Stand Upper is open so that would suggest a fair few in attendance.

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5 hours ago, LeeF said:

Anyone mentioning player welfare and blaming the RFL should remember it’s the clubs who insist on so many matches per season and that it’s SL who run the competition not the RFL

Very good point on the clubs being the driving factor.

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8 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:


Yes, self-evidently I am. My judgement is different, and I’d argue on the evidence of that particular scenario clearly better.

If you think the disciplinary panel has trodden the right line this season then I’ve a bridge to sell you, but you’re free to crack on. I’m hardly alone in the game in thinking that. And no, that doesn’t make me some “the game has gone soft” luddite. 

So you know better than the people who are paid to do the job week in week out and are specialists. I think the word you are you looking to describe yourself is definitely deluded but as you say “crack on” continuing to make yourself look daft

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1 hour ago, LeeF said:

So you know better than the people who are paid to do the job week in week out and are specialists. I think the word you are you looking to describe yourself is definitely deluded but as you say “crack on” continuing to make yourself look daft

Mate if I wanted to have an inane argument on my smartphone I’d WhatsApp my teenager, agree to disagree or jog on - this whole page is about opinions 

Apparently this site says I "won the day" here on 23rd Jan, 19th Jan, 9th Jan also 13th December, whatever any of that means. Anyway, 4 times in a few weeks? The forum must be going to the dogs - you people need to seriously up your game. Where's Dutoni when you need him?

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32 minutes ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Mate if I wanted to have an inane argument on my smartphone I’d WhatsApp my teenager, agree to disagree or jog on - this whole page is about opinions 

I’d imagine Hull KR are one of the loudest voices for more fixtures.  The RFL have nothing to do with it.  SL is the clubs.  Double game weekend have already been canned.

So what point is it that you are commending Hull KR for making again and to who?

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48 minutes ago, FearTheVee said:

I’d imagine Hull KR are one of the loudest voices for more fixtures.  The RFL have nothing to do with it.  SL is the clubs.  Double game weekend have already been canned.

So what point is it that you are commending Hull KR for making again and to who?

I made 3 points, they’re up there ^^ 

Your imagination is exactly that 

Apparently this site says I "won the day" here on 23rd Jan, 19th Jan, 9th Jan also 13th December, whatever any of that means. Anyway, 4 times in a few weeks? The forum must be going to the dogs - you people need to seriously up your game. Where's Dutoni when you need him?

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16 minutes ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

I made 3 points, they’re up there ^^ 

Your imagination is exactly that 

Ok so rovers are making a stand about player welfare to the RFL who don’t set the fixture list and shouldn’t ban players for foul play as that goes against player welfare. Fair enough - hope the point lands.

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2 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Mate if I wanted to have an inane argument on my smartphone I’d WhatsApp my teenager, agree to disagree or jog on - this whole page is about opinions 

😂😂😂 Try taking your own “advice”. A forum both allows me to have an opinion and to call you out for being deluded.

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2 hours ago, FearTheVee said:

I’d imagine Hull KR are one of the loudest voices for more fixtures.  The RFL have nothing to do with it.  SL is the clubs.  Double game weekend have already been canned.

So what point is it that you are commending Hull KR for making again and to who?

He is basically commending them for being amateurish and making more difficult for both them & the game to attract or even retain sponsors. 

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18 hours ago, DimmestStar said:

Whatever the debate about suspensions the fact remains that Hull KR have 29 players unavailable for this game. Yes TWENTY NINE.

Of the 16 who will feature against Hull four are teenagers who have recently debuted and would not be anywhere near this fixture normally. Of the rest 6 will be playing with pain killing injections.

The Rovers 16 will give everything and won't roll over but have no full backs, no half backs and no hookers. The players who have the guile to create are all missing, Coote, Abdull, Lewis, Kenny-Dowall,  Parcell, Litten etc.

There are only 2 possible outcomes to this game - either a Hull win or the most humiliating Hull loss ever in the history of derby games. Sadly I can only see the former outcome.

 

 

There are two possible outcomes to this game, a Hull win, a Hull loss or a draw...

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