Sat 17th Sept: SL: St Helens v Salford Red Devils KO 13:00 (Sky & Channel 4)

[Mumby Magic]

3 hours ago, Pigeon Lofter said:

Lomax a magician with his grubbers this afternoon.

You mean fellow saints players

[bobbruce]

2 hours ago, Gomersall said:

If a defender is stupid enough to blatantly stop an attacker from attempting to ground the ball it should be a PT for me. 

Then the Snyed one on Batchelor in the first half would be penalty try too. 

[Gomersall]

1 minute ago, bobbruce said:

Then the Snyed one on Batchelor in the first half would be penalty try too. 

Yes.

[Harry Stottle]

4 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Then the Snyed one on Batchelor in the first half would be penalty try too. 

No

[Dunbar]

2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

No

So it is the strength of the contact and not the likelihood of scoring a try that is the most important factor?

[bobbruce]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

That's what I was wondering myself, I don't know! It seems appropriate to me to punish a professional foul like that at such a key moment. Obviously that's no use to Salford.

They did punish it like they’ve punished every professional foul for the last 50 years. What new rule do you want bringing in for Saints. 

Edited September 17, 2022 by bobbruce

[The Future is League]

11 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Woolf saw nothing wrong with Knowles tackle and would be ‘flabbergasted’ if he was banned 

He should have been red carded for that and i would be amazed if he wasn't banned for the the GF

He's got a chink in his make up where he does stupid things at times and he could become a liability at the world cup if he plays as teams will target it

[7723]

19 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Poor old Wigan. 

Whats the final got do with Wigan?

[bobbruce]

57 minutes ago, Damien said:

It was actually one of the worst things I have seen from a professional player. Yes players go out to hurt, make big hits and yes they sometimes get it badly wrong but that appeared very malicious and was completely avoidable.

Behave. 

[bobbruce]

47 minutes ago, Damien said:

Someone who always impresses me for Saints, and I keep forgetting to mention him, is Sironen. Hard running and really strong in contact. Him and Batchelor make a great 2nd row partnership. 

He’s come to as the seasons gone on. 

[bobbruce]

29 minutes ago, SalfordSlim said:

So firstly, well done Saints. Best team won on the day but as a Salford fan I'm gutted and the lads did us proud in adversity (Croft/Ackers/Atkin etc). Saints flew out the blocks and we struggled to contain their pack but in fairness we never buckled and always kept ourselves in the game. I'm not commenting on most of the big calls as enough people have had a view on here and it's clear where people think the right/wrong calls were made. 

I'll ask one thing though....

Does anyone think Kendall would've given a penalty try if it was Saints attacking? Personally I'm not convinced Lafai would've got there but I'm not convinced if it was the other way round Kendall would've made the same decision. 

He didn’t in the first half. 

[bobbruce]

28 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Are you sure on that?  Because there would never be an example of overruling a ref if he's said no penalty try as its always subjective. 

They give a verdict on whether it is a try or not,  not a penalty try. In this case,  nobody touched the ball down,  so no try.  The VR would then adjudicate on the penalty try. 

He say he didn’t think it was grounded but could they check for a potential penalty try. Has happened a fair bit. 

[Dave T]

Just now, bobbruce said:

He say he didn’t think it was grounded but could they check for a potential penalty try. Has happened a fair bit. 

Yes,  so he would say no try (not grounded) and ask the VR to look into a possibility of a penalty try. 

He isn't sending it up as No Penalty Try -  that isn't a thing. 

[bobbruce]

31 minutes ago, Phil said:

Up to minor international level, Serbia, Holland, Germany etc 

Fair play to you and apologies for the jokey post. Personally I don’t think Lafai was getting to that ball and obviously neither did the ref. 

[bobbruce]

33 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Are you sure on that?  Because there would never be an example of overruling a ref if he's said no penalty try as its always subjective. 

They give a verdict on whether it is a try or not,  not a penalty try. In this case,  nobody touched the ball down,  so no try.  The VR would then adjudicate on the penalty try. 

That’s what usually happens either the ref just awards a penalty try or asks the VR to look at it probably if it’s a scrappy one and he isn’t sure if there’s not a knock on or offside earlier that would negate it. 

[bobbruce]

14 minutes ago, 7723 said:

Whats the final got do with Wigan?

Thankfully nothing. 

[bobbruce]

7 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Yes,  so he would say no try (not grounded) and ask the VR to look into a possibility of a penalty try. 

He isn't sending it up as No Penalty Try -  that isn't a thing. 

I think by asking the question he’s telling the VR he thinks it’s a penalty try if the player hasn’t got to it in general play. 

[bobbruce]

38 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I assume you didn't read my last sentence mate? 

Fair enough Dave trying to catch up with the thread so plowing through. 

[Dunbar]

I didn't see the Knowles one live as I had to run an errand.

Just seen the video back and while a penalty, I didn't think there was a huge amount in it... not a classic chicken wing with a deliberate effort to force the arm into an unnatural position.  I just felt he was holding his wrist for too long.

Yes a penalty and yes a sin bin as it was a little dangerous but I don't expect a ban.

[Dave T]

8 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

I think by asking the question he’s telling the VR he thinks it’s a penalty try if the player hasn’t got to it in general play. 

I've found a perfect example of this.  Watch the Saints v Catalans grand final incident where Makinson got binned. 

It was clearly no try as the Cats winger was fouled into touch. The ref stopped play,  said "No try,  check touch,  and check the merits of a penalty try".  He gives no verdict on the penalty try,  that is solely with the VR from then. 

As acknowledged,  the fact that the ref backs himself is fine by me. I'm not sure I wouldn't have used the tech in a semi final like that,  but we want refs to back themselves,  and he did. 

[Phil]

18 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Fair play to you and apologies for the jokey post. Personally I don’t think Lafai was getting to that ball and obviously neither did the ref. 

It was a reasonable question I was ok with it, it could have been Ovenden u8s 

[Dave T]

2 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I didn't see the Knowles one live as I had to run an errand.

Just seen the video back and while a penalty, I didn't think there was a huge amount in it... not a classic chicken wing with a deliberate effort to force the arm into an unnatural position.  I just felt he was holding his wrist for too long.

Yes a penalty and yes a sin bin as it was a little dangerous but I don't expect a ban.

I'm surprised by your assessment there.  I thought it was a shocker tbh. 

[Damien]

32 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

They did punish it like they’ve punished every professional foul for the last 50 years. What new rule do you want bringing in for Saints. 

No new rule for Saints, comments like that are a little silly. I have already said, at least twice, that I think the ref made the correct call with not allowing the penalty try. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be debate whether that law is right in that circumstances.

I was asking about if the MVP can take action for a professional foul. It's a fair question, you obviously disagree. Either way I'm not sure my comment deserved this response.

Edited September 17, 2022 by Damien

[bobbruce]

3 minutes ago, Damien said:

No new rule for Saints, comments like that are a little silly. I have already said, at least twice, that I think the ref made the correct call with not allowing the penalty try. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be debate whether that law is right in that circumstances.

I was asking about if the MVP can take action for a professional foul. It's a fair question, you obviously disagree. Either way I'm not sure my comment deserved this response.

I’d say no they can’t as I’ve never seen it happen before. 

[Dunbar]

3 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I'm surprised by your assessment there.  I thought it was a shocker tbh. 

Maybe I was influenced by the comments on here.  I went to take a look at it expecting it to be an awful one but it just didn't look that bad to me. 

I may be wrong, the review panel may see it as a bad one