bobbruce Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Dave T said: Because my screen grabs were so popular on the match thread (and I have finally worked out how to resize to upload here) I have another couple. I think Welsby has a couple of problems with his tackle. The first image shows that his tackling shoulder is raised above his own head and despite crouching his own back which is positive for him, he does raise his tackling arm. The 2nd pic shows the point of contact, and whilst it is blurry, suggests it is in the face. Sorry Dave how is his shoulder above his own head when clearly it isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheVee Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dunbar said: If that is the case it feels like a risk. He misses the final and the warm up now. If he gets an extra game he misses Samoa at Newcastle. As an England fan, I would stick rather than twist on this one. Couldn’t agree more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 7 hours ago, Tommygilf said: Welsby does have some form for the flying "big hit" that is sometimes on the line between aggressive and reckless. Certainly to the extent that duty of care to the opponents is not near the forefront of decision making. This from Magic Weekend: That’s great isn’t it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Loiner said: I'm not saying there's any comparison apart from there was contact with the head in both cases. Both recipients of the tackle were either ducking into or slipping into the tackle. For what its worth I don't think Welsby did much wrong that's worthy of a I'll take the dig on the chin Dave but it's the only instance I could think of on the spurr of the moment. Widdop was slipping Atkin was dipping is there any difference both players smacked in the head, Bentleys looked worse I'll grant you. This is a stab in the dark but are you in charge of Leeds appeal system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispmartha Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) So another thought, lets say Bateman got 5 games - how would he be able to use England games to use up the bans, surely he wouldnt get selected in the squad? You could possibly make the same case for Knowles if he gets it increased to 3. Edited September 19, 2022 by Chrispmartha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 6 hours ago, johnh1 said: Atkin and Salford were involved in the incidents in question. Trouble maker then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said: So another thought, lets say Bateman got 5 games - how would he be able to use England games to use up the bans, surely he wouldnt get selected in the squad? You could possibly make the same case for Knowles if he gets it increased to 3. I would still take Knowles if he did a crazy appeal and got 3. He is missing the first game. If Bateman got 5 then he is missing all 3 group games and a quarter final. I wouldn't pick him. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said: So another thought, lets say Bateman got 5 games - how would he be able to use England games to use up the bans, surely he wouldnt get selected in the squad? You could possibly make the same case for Knowles if he gets it increased to 3. If you aren’t selected in the squad games wouldn’t be counted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful1865 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 54 minutes ago, LeeF said: The lower end bans are automatic dependant upon previous & grading etc so presumably not. As I said you can’t check on the RFL site for the definitive answer as Ralph has switched the server off He's busy deleting all the incriminating evidence of his time there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, bobbruce said: If you aren’t selected in the squad games wouldn’t be counted. Just from a process perspective. Does the final squad have to be announced before the warm up game? "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Dunbar said: Just from a process perspective. Does the final squad have to be announced before the warm up game? Be honest I don’t know but I’m sure in the past players not in the squad have played warm up games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Faithful1865 said: He's busy deleting all the incriminating evidence of his time there. It definitely can’t be him deleting his inspirational speeches and interviews ……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotty Herbert Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Just from a process perspective. Does the final squad have to be announced before the warm up game? I believe squads are supposed to be named on the 24th - this Saturday. However, its hard to believe the Aussies will finalise theirs before the NRL grand final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Spotty Herbert said: I believe squads are supposed to be named on the 24th - this Saturday. However, its hard to believe the Aussies will finalise theirs before the NRL grand final. Yes, I can't see them doing that. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Chrispmartha said: https://www.saintsrlfc.com/2022/07/18/matautia-and-knowles-banned-but-welsby-free-to-play/ Welsby got a grade A in July, I thought that meant next grade A is a 1 match ban? No. 2 charges in the last 24m, with 1 of them. Being in theast 12m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 I would think Big Mal pretty much knows his squad by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 35 minutes ago, bobbruce said: Sorry Dave how is his shoulder above his own head when clearly it isn’t. It was clumsy wording by me sorry, I was trying to make the point that his tackling shoulder was raised above his other shoulder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 The bans seem fair enough to me. I think Bateman will get 3 matches and will still be selected for England. With the Fiji warm up counting as 1 missing 2 group games isn't a big deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spotty Herbert Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, DavidM said: I would think Big Mal pretty much knows his squad by now Is Payne Haas coming or not? Or is he playing for Samoa? Mal may know the squad he wants, but that's not necessarily what he will get. There could still be injuries and suspensions from the last three NRL games as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 9 hours ago, Dunbar said: We will see what the panel come up with. My view is that the Welsby one was a cracking tackle and the Knowles one was a sin bin but nothing more. So I will quote myself before someone quotes me. Seems like the panel saw this as more serious than I did so I will hold my hands up and say I got it wrong. 4 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Just now, Dave T said: It was clumsy wording by me sorry, I was trying to make the point that his tackling shoulder was raised above his other shoulder. It’s a still though and as you tackle the shoulder you are using you will put force through. It will always go in front or above during the tackle. Especially if you have someone lined up like Welsby clearly did. Having said that I wouldn’t know if that is frowned upon by the MRP or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, DavidM said: I would think Big Mal pretty much knows his squad by now The Aussies have always selected players who have performed in the biggest games... SOO, Grand Finals. I am sure he has a very good idea but I am also sure someone could have two blinders and force their way in. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Spotty Herbert said: Is Payne Haas coming or not? Or is he playing for Samoa? Mal may know the squad he wants, but that's not necessarily what he will get. There could still be injuries and suspensions from the last three NRL games as well. Indeed , the last part is especially apposite . In terms of selection these games will be probably reinforce what he knows . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dunbar said: So I will quote myself before someone quotes me. Seems like the panel saw this as more serious than I did so I will hold my hands up and say I got it wrong. To be fair I was the same as you but I like the player so was probably a bit of rose tinted glasses on my part. I don’t think he meant to end up where he did but he likes to dominate the tackle and lost this one and was desperately trying to control it. As I said at the time it was stupid and can have no complaints. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 31 minutes ago, bobbruce said: This is a stab in the dark but are you in charge of Leeds appeal system. I wish I was I wouldn't have made so many frivolous appeals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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