Harry Stottle Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 47 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said: IMG are really going to lock London out because they finish 11th in a championship? Nope. So why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Dunbar said: 'Category A’ clubs will be guaranteed participation in the top tier whilst ‘Category B' clubs will be re-assessed annually with the highest-ranking clubs occupying the remaining slots in the top tier. So you can finish above a Category A team and still get removed from the top tier. That is not what sport is about. There have to be consequences and rewards for on field performances. I'm presuming that would form part of the reassessment.. League position. 1 Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 Developing thread worth reading: 2 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, MattSantos said: I'm presuming that would form part of the reassessment.. League position. Even if it is part of the assessment then the scenario is entirely possible to play out. Especially with Category A teams guaranteed a continued place in the top tier. 3 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nothus Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dunbar said: 'Category A’ clubs will be guaranteed participation in the top tier whilst ‘Category B' clubs will be re-assessed annually with the highest-ranking clubs occupying the remaining slots in the top tier. So you can finish above a Category A team and still get removed from the top tier. That is not what sport is about. There have to be consequences and rewards for on field performances. Maybe wait until you've seen the criteria before you kick off? Jesus wept. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, gingerjon said: Yeah. Nah. It's fantasy stuff, but it's an illustration of why allowing a company to just control everything with the sole objective of making money is flawed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, MattSantos said: I'm presuming that would form part of the reassessment.. League position. Yup. On-field performance is a part of the grading. Not the only part but also not irrelevant. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, Dave T said: It's fantasy stuff, but it's an illustration of why allowing a company to just control everything with the sole objective of making money is flawed. Yes. And I didn't say we should do that. I was just reacting to the idea that a professional sport should ignore people because they want to make money. 2 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, gingerjon said: Yes. And I didn't say we should do that. I was just reacting to the idea that a professional sport should ignore people because they want to make money. Yes I don't think we are disagreeing. My point is more aimed at those who want a dictator in charge and no governance involving the clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my missus Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 every sport bar rugby league and union seems to have a massive prize for winning, a million pound prize for the TEAM winning the league would focus the player's minds. no need for IMG. Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time(roger waters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Developing thread worth reading: Very good thread indeed, thanks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, ShropshireBull said: Focus on internationals, could that mean they want to look at growing a team in Wales? France (alongside London and Womens RL) seen as major areas for growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said: A: Wigan,, Saints, Wire, Leeds, Hull, Catalan B: Toulouse (absolute no brainer from a commercial standpoint, gives us French derby and growth in France knowing they cant go down, a real chance to become a dominant force) London (massive population and now playing in a stadium that isn´t woeful but probably needs a new owner who hasn´t alienated everyone), Hull KR (Solid crowds, own ground, really improved the product and derby). Wakey (Odd one but with ground redevelopement, genuine prospects for growth here in terms of rev.) B-: Giants (Woeful ground, no tv marketable) Cas (similar reason but actually good crowds) Newcastle (have an academy and stadium, might be worth giving it a go. York(No academy but commercially possible and modern ground to make money, not competing with FL team as of yet) Widnes, Fev and Barrow. Leigh only because derek spends. C : The rest of us. Are you seriously ranking London above Huddersfield,Castleford & Leigh ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 74% of respondees saw growth of the sport outside traditional areas as important. Interesting result certainly. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, Davo5 said: Are you seriously ranking London above Huddersfield,Castleford & Leigh ? They are potentially all B's (Hudds more like an A that said). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyed Rats Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dave T said: It's fantasy stuff, but it's an illustration of why allowing a company to just control everything with the sole objective of making money is flawed. Exactly!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Dockhouse Host Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Sounds good on the surface but I need to understand the detail of parts of it Others claiming 'same as' here https://m.facebook.com/groups/1361836814234490/permalink/1584030145348488/?sfnsn=scwspmo&ref=share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I think this is pragmatically wise for a number of reasons, not least that it's been around a while and now being usurped by women's football. The biggest Super League crowd at the LSV next year will be when Manchester United play Chelsea. That shouldn't be a surprise to any one, the clue is in the name of the two teams Leigh and Manchester who have the LSV as their home ground and the populations of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Removal of Magic is one that surprises me, unless they’re removing Magic being made up of a loop fixture so that instead, clubs “lose” a home year each year to Magic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, Harry Stottle said: That shouldn't be a surprise to any one, the clue is in the name of the two teams Leigh and Manchester who have the LSV as their home ground and the populations of them. You aren't seriously making that comment are you Harry? Next you'll be saying London and New York! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adelaide Tiger Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Well it’s bed time for me. No doubt a lot of catching up in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Shepherd Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 A bit uninspiring. Need more detail on how the various grades of license are decided and what funding is available to those not among the chosen few. I hate the concept of licensing, but I'm prepared to give it a chance. However, if it's corrupt, opaque and not applied equally to incumbents like last time, it's going to fail and fans across the lower tiers will walk away (again). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, ShropshireBull said: Number of clubs outside UK capped at 2 but we are targeting France? Good one. At least Toulouse are a lock I suppose. Not seen 2 been referenced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: So long as the Bs are graded fairly, this should be fine. Will it be any different to last time Tommy? I think this is just a different way of doing exactly the same again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, Harry Stottle said: Will it be any different to last time Tommy? I think this is just a different way of doing exactly the same again. You've got to hope so, but on principle I think what I put was right. As ever, what happens to the "B" teams" is what will define this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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